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code reader wrote: i can't veryfy this claim, but assuming it's correct, it means the release process went wrong

Your attempt at logic amuses me. :) Beta2 will be released when the developers feel that it is ready. There is more to it than checking whether all Beta1 bugs are squashed.

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glad i can be of some (amusement) value.
as to my attempt at logic: if beta-1 is no longer relevant, and beta-2 is not yet out, it means the release process went wrong, because we are now in a "dead" period as far as testing is concerned.
the developer's feelings are very important, especially to them and to their spouses, but once the beta process have started, having a dead period is a mistake in release cycle management.

mind you, i don't know that this is the case: i merely stated that if beta-1 is not relevant anymore, and since beta-2 is not yet out and not even (publically) scheduled, it's a mistake.

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I am amused easily. ;)

But remember, this is not closed development. Users do not need betas to report bugs. The developers are currently finishing their assigned projects and bugs, so that a next Beta can be released soon.

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I love how you are making this claim based on the statement of someone who actually has nothing to do with the development process whatsoever.

We have a list of items which we wish to complete before releasing Beta 2 and once we hit that point it will be released, in the meantime as naderman has said people are quite welcome to report bugs against Beta 1, if we've already fixed it we will close it as such. We have never recommended that anyone run CVS unless they have the knowledge to do so, and telling people that we only accept CVS bugs would rather go against that don't you think ;)
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[EDIT: this is a response to dhn]
this is an "either/or" kinda thing.
EITHER - we dont need beta at all: after all, the bug-tracker was opened long before beta-1, and savvy users were submitting bug reports ever since,
OR - beta is needed: after all, by packaging a beta-version, and openning a support forum, the number of people that installed v3 and played with it was increases by (my guess) at least an order of magnitude.

well, if the 2nd possibility is the right one (and if not, then why even bother to package a beta version in the first place?), then i stand by my statement: reaching the point where the beta-1 package is not relevant any more before releasing beta-2 is a release-cycle-management mistake.
i didnt say it's criminal. i didn't yell at anyone for making it, i didnt blame and i didn't whine. i just offered my opinion that something should have been done differently.

otoh, refusing to acknowledge any mistake, and making statements like "your attempt at logic amuses me" is a behavior more often associated with a republican white-house administration than with an open-source community.

[EDIT:
Graham: please note that i qualified my statement with "if highway is correct and beta-1 is no longer relevant".
i even asked a team member to come along and tell us that beta-1 is still very much relevant (or not).
didnt mean to open a holy war. it is just that i suspect there is some truth in this statement.
]

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code reader wrote: [EDIT: this is a response to dhn]
this is an "either/or" kinda thing.
EITHER - we dont need beta at all: after all, the bug-tracker was opened long before beta-1, and savvy users were submitting bug reports ever since,
OR - beta is needed: after all, by packaging a beta-version, and openning a support forum, the number of people that installed v3 and played with it was increases by (my guess) at least an order of magnitude.

The 2nd (proven by numbers).
code reader wrote: well, if the 2nd possibility is the right one (and if not, then why even bother to package a beta version in the first place?), then i stand by my statement: reaching the point where the beta-1 package is not relevant any more before releasing beta-2 is a release-cycle-management mistake.

It would be really stupid if we released beta-2 now even if beta-1 bugs are nearly all fixed (new ones are reported daily so I don't think we reached that point yet) simply because beta-2 would then contain bugs we already know and can fix right now and it would also miss some features/changes that we want users to test. So even if beta-1 is "irrelevant" as you call it because its bugs are all reported it would be useless to release beta-2 now because it creates more work for us than living with an "irrelevant" beta-1 until beta-2 is ready.
code reader wrote: i didnt say it's criminal. i didn't yell at anyone for making it, i didnt blame and i didn't whine. i just offered my opinion that something should have been done differently.

No need for this ...
code reader wrote: otoh, refusing to acknowledge any mistake, and making statements like "your attempt at logic amuses me" is a behavior more often associated with a republican white-house administration than with an open-source community.

No need for this ...
I think the person refusing to acknowledge any mistake in this topic is you (your false statement on holding beta2 back being a release-cycle-management mistake if beta1 is "irrelevant"). So no need to insult us.

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naderman wrote: I think the person refusing to acknowledge any mistake in this topic is you (your false statement on holding beta2 back being a release-cycle-management mistake if beta1 is "irrelevant"). So no need to insult us.
sorry.
won't do it any more.

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code reader wrote: otoh, refusing to acknowledge any mistake, and making statements like "your attempt at logic amuses me" is a behavior more often associated with a republican white-house administration than with an open-source community.

I apologise. I didn't mean to offend you, that is why I added the smiley. ;) Your statement just didn't make any sense to me - of course, I have the benefit of looking the developers over their shoulder every now and then.

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