New karma post...

[mansuetus]

(since the (18pages post) had been made a long time ago, I make a new one)

then, It is not perfectly clear to me:
When I vote [good] to someone, he gets some points, depending on my own karma.
I hope I cannot vote twice for the same post...
If someone gets many votes, his level might be increased or decreased... (he gets the karma...)

alright then:
if someone usually saying "I agree", with a karma of about "-5" says something very kewl, and everybody rates his post [good], his post will still be hidden, since his karma will not change because of one post (well, someone spoke about this, and I hope he was right !)

(the opposite is still true)

Why not use a ** post-karma ** which will hide/show posts, and can change easily (I mean, if someone makes a good post, it has to be hidden or showed quick...)

and user-karma which will be displayed over his name, as an average of his posts Karma, and backwards, will set the default post-karma of the user...
(when someone has a user-karma of "-2" his unranked post will be post-karma "-2")
and this part does not change easily...

[Ptirhiik_]

Blah, I don't want to re-open the debate, but this is one of the feature I found very unhealthy, and very intrusive. In France we have an expression for this kind of thing, which can be translated as : "Ugly face offence". BTW, it is also a legal case, as segregation and public offenses/diffamations, that might affect some public boards. There would be no problem with rating posts, but there is with rating posters. At least some disclaimer should be set for boards using this features, knowing it won't solve over the legal case (but make it easier to defend).

[DoD]

To be honest, i dont like karama... its censorship by default of their posts... and it they are a trouble maker -> Ban then... if they they nothing good enough for you to hear -> ignore them.

[psoTFX]

Solution to both of your problems ... disable karma.

[andrew johnson]

psoTFX: how disable kamas in this forum?

[DoD]

psoTFX: how disable kamas in this forum?

Its an admin feature... users can simply set something similar in the UCP viewing posts i think...

[mansuetus]

Solution to both of your problems ... disable karma.

(I think my english prevents me from being clear.)

psoTFX: I didn't say karma this way was bad ! I just thought the system was in a way a bit unfair...
from what I saw it was, it is just an image of how poster is this week (or month) and all his posts get hidden or showed because of this.

I wanted to ask why you did it that way ? (on the only other site using votes on posts, votes are on posts, but posters get karma too, but a high karma do not oblige all your posts from being seen....)

I know, you will tell: "well use the other site instead of phpbb", and this is not what I want to hear, since phpbb is what I need

[modenaf1]

He meant that to take care of the problem, go to Admin Control Panel>karma settings>disable Then no karma works on the forum

[mansuetus]

He meant that to take care of the problem, go to Admin Control Panel>karma settings>disable Then no karma works on the forum

thanx having translated english to english.

next time, read my posts and then, come again, right ?

[itst]

Of course it is nearly to impossible to design this karma thingy in a way everybody agrees with it. Too different are the requirements for the thousands of phpBB installations/communities running on phpBB.

Because of that I wonder why this feature has made it into 2.1/2.2. I think it is too special, and phpBB always was the generalist anyone could plug in more features if she needed to.

I've been observing features like this for quite some time on linux-community.de and in the last time on heise.de. If you have proactive users, the feature will do good, if you have inactive users if will at least do no harm, and if you have bad users (many trolls, egocentric, kiddy like users) it will absolutly do harm to the rest.

Anyway, the main problem is that you need to ensure that users with bad karma can actually get better karma! Even a -5 or whatever worst voted user must have a reasonable chance to get in the +'s. This must be possible without only admins and mods (who, as I think, shouldn't use this feature for their own profiles, meaning they must see -5 posts, too) pushing them back.

Having a weight for the votes themselves is a great idea, meaning votes of a member with better karma is worth more than votes of a lower karma user. But that has drawbacks, too. What if a user has very good karma and votes very negative for another user for, say 4 months. This other user will be pulled down. Then the first one starts to get negative votes, too. What to do about the past votes he did when he had very good karma?

BTW, I strongly agree with Ptirhiik_. In most environments a per-post-voting would surely be the better solution than a per-user-voting. Both have implications (f.i. the per-post-voting would not let anyone see that a given user has 90% bad posts, which might be desirable), and it depends on the community this feature is used in how it evolves.

As of what I have seen from this feature in CVS it might be possible to have the admin decide which model to use? This is no 'feature request', just a general question