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[Uchiha Nick]

uhm, how come I manage to make stylesheets that look the same in each browser[/i]? and no, I don't use JavaScript hacks, I don't know much about JS, and I don't want to. taking the time to actually learn CSS and THEN PHP pays off.

for instance, ( and this is where a lot goes wrong ) centering pages is the easiest thing to do; granted you know how. this solution worked for me each time:

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* {
margin: 0 auto;
padding: 0px;
text-align: center;
}
body {
fill in something here
}
#container {
margin: 0 auto;
padding: 0px;
text-align: center;
}

<div id="container">
  <other divs>
  </other divs>
</div>

that's all there is to it.. but so many people will just resort to the easy way of tables. ( copied this of one of my latest projects, and it works there, and I haven't even began with tweaking it yet! OHMIGOSH! )

I suppose you're new to the whole_making_sites thingie and let me tell you; if you start forcing users to switch browsers, you'll find a lot of users dissapearing. and if you REALLY want a non-hack way;

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// just ask for the correct browser, and include the RIGHT stylesheet
if ( strpos ( $_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'], 'MSIE 6.0' ) ) {
  // <link for internet explorer, although I might be wrong about the search argument, haven't used it for ages
} else {
 // include just the other one.. since IE6 is the only one that differs
}

[jimmygoon]

Do you read? I didn't say anything about forcing a browser. If you know so damn much about CSS, then make this page work without including the CSS hacked stylesheet for IE6: http://www.mickens.us/mockups/shawnee_heights . I know what I'm talking about here. IE6 has *beep* for CSS support and it gets in my way every single day... Go ahead... download that mockup of mine, remove the stylesheet for IE6 to fix and then tell me that it "could" look fine in IE if I knew what I was talking about... (BTW: If "a lot" of your problems are occuring with centering DIV's on a page then I shouldn't even be wasting my time typing this out...)

seriously... wtf. I still don't get why you're making personal attacks on me. I never said that "centering" couldn't be done in IE6, hell I never even said anything about that at all... The only comment I made was that support IE6 sucks and that modern developers ought to code "correctly" then patch for old browsers and that fixed width and pixel perfect designs are near impossible with IE6 so a more modern technique of "floating widths" makes more sense

So can we stop attacking me now?

[Uchiha Nick]

it is you who is feeling attacked really. since the one who is feeling attacked is YOU, you are feeling you are being attacked.

but ( and hopefully ) for the last time: YOU need to read.

for instance, ( and this is where a lot goes wrong )

did I enter your username or mine? NO. probably UNLIKE you I have been a member of webtutorials and the like, and more then 70% didnt know HOW to center a page using divs.

further then this, I follow a WEBMASTER education, and aside from me and 2 friends ( whom I teach ) no one KNOWS how to center a page using divs. so buh huh.

and no, I am not going to do your work:)

[Rotsblok]

Mephistox wrote:

I think its time we forget about people using old browsers and resolutions lower then 1024 x 768....
Its 2006 for crying out loud... if you can't download firefox or opera or IE7 by now and you're still running in 800x600, chances are you're not visiting web forums in the first place.

Maybe a stupid remark but lots of educational and goverments are still running 800600 screen resolutions. Not because they dont want to upgrade their kitt but simple because they dont have the money for it. And btw who are you to say that if you run 800x600 you dont visitid webforums??? I believe lots of older ppl who have problems with their sight are running 800x600 just because the screen is bigger and beter readable. So i say thumbs up for making a forum app. as compatible as it can.

[jimmygoon]

You are truly annoying ignorant. You make backhanded attacks about me and my ability to craft CSS. Here's the story... IE has tons of bugs. Bugs that constantly affect floating layers, unordered lists with links among many other issues. Yes, it is impossible to use valid CSS at times to get a page to look the same in all browsers. Why don't you take your webmaster's whatever and either fix the problems that my mockup has in IE or accept the fact that IE has horrible rendering support for CSS!

I responded the way I did because you brushed me off as some punk who "wouldn't even know how to center a DIV"... My response was that OBVIOUSLY, I do. You respond by taking up a completely different issue and flaunting your "WEBMASTER EDUCATION" like it makes you something. You get an award for "WEBMASTER IDIOT" if you really are going to sit there and tell me that IE comes even close to render my page right without those fixes.

By the way, I'd remind you that this started with me arguing in favor of floating width designs which you should know are favorable from your "WEBMASTER EDUCATION" and what not. So one last time I'll make the same point I've been trying to iterate through this entire stupid convesation: You don't have to deal with browser quirks and user resolutions if you use a floating design. If you used a fixed width then you will either be accomidating the low end user, or neglecting them...

By the way, in your spout of not-reading, I didn't ask for your help. I told you that as a matter of fact, the design that I've done is not possible to recreate in Internet Explorer with out using CSS hacks so please don't sit there are say

Why is it possible for me to create designs that look the same in all browsers

... Here's why: You don't do designs that including floating divs, unordered links lists, and floating navigational bars. Here's one that you can wrap your head around. Take a long document... add a DIV style="position:fixed" and then tell me if it renders correctly in Internet Explorer. IT DOESN'T.

[Uchiha Nick]

You are truly annoying ignorant. You make backhanded attacks about me and my ability to craft CSS. Here's the story... IE has tons of bugs. Bugs that constantly affect floating layers, unordered lists with links among many other issues. Yes, it is impossible to use valid CSS at times to get a page to look the same in all browsers. Why don't you take your webmaster's whatever and either fix the problems that my mockup has in IE or accept the fact that IE has horrible rendering support for CSS!

oh, now we are going to offend one another? since I can play that game ( probably better ) as well. and it is OBVIOUSLY common knowledge IE6 is EVIL. I didnt say ANYWHERE it wasnt.

now, like I said before.. I am not going to do your work especially not after this lol, now shoo

[jimmygoon]

You are truly annoying ignorant. You make backhanded attacks about me and my ability to craft CSS. Here's the story... IE has tons of bugs. Bugs that constantly affect floating layers, unordered lists with links among many other issues. Yes, it is impossible to use valid CSS at times to get a page to look the same in all browsers. Why don't you take your webmaster's whatever and either fix the problems that my mockup has in IE or accept the fact that IE has horrible rendering support for CSS!

oh, now we are going to offend one another? since I can play that game ( probably better ) as well. and it is OBVIOUSLY common knowledge IE6 is EVIL. I didnt say ANYWHERE it wasnt.

now, like I said before.. I am not going to do your work especially not after this lol, now shoo

First, read my editted post above.
Second, I didn't ask for your help... read on
Third, you did too. You said "Why is it that i can create designs that look the same in all browsers"... My entire response was to show you that I'm not some "script-kiddy", and that I know what I'm talking about. I've already fixed my bloody site... WITH HACKS.... since yu say you can do it without hacks.. I was seeing if you are really worth all the talk you keep doing or if it is just hot air.

With that having been said, my intention was not to be rude towards you as I have been. It was simply to convey the thought that "just make it work in all browsers" is easier said than done and is often not possible without using hacks for internet explorer. I apologize for the harsh tone.

[Uchiha Nick]

You are truly annoying ignorant. You make backhanded attacks about me and my ability to craft CSS. Here's the story... IE has tons of bugs. Bugs that constantly affect floating layers, unordered lists with links among many other issues. Yes, it is impossible to use valid CSS at times to get a page to look the same in all browsers. Why don't you take your webmaster's whatever and either fix the problems that my mockup has in IE or accept the fact that IE has horrible rendering support for CSS!

oh, now we are going to offend one another? since I can play that game ( probably better ) as well. and it is OBVIOUSLY common knowledge IE6 is EVIL. I didnt say ANYWHERE it wasnt.

now, like I said before.. I am not going to do your work especially not after this lol, now shoo

First, read my editted post above.
Second, I didn't ask for your help... read on
Third, you did too. You said "Why is it that i can create designs that look the same in all browsers"... My entire response was to show you that I'm not some "script-kiddy", and that I know what I'm talking about. I've already fixed my bloody site... WITH HACKS.... since yu say you can do it without hacks.. I was seeing if you are really worth all the talk you keep doing or if it is just hot air.

With that having been said, my intention was not to be rude towards you as I have been. It was simply to convey the thought that "just make it work in all browsers" is easier said than done and is often not possible without using hacks for internet explorer. I apologize for the harsh tone.

I posted the reply BEFORE the edit.

about the all talk thing, care?

let's just go ontopic

[Highway of Life]

Come on guys... lets have a civilized conversation, and leave the "personal attacks" out of it, eh?

[APTX]

An argument here and there livens up the board. These are the topics you always read even if you're not really interested in them, but then again arguments rarely stay on topic.