South Park Episode 507: Proper Use of a Condom
I agree with it (at least the general ideas.)
Nuff said.
BTW I voted "teach them 'how babies are made'"
Sex Education
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It is all very easy to live in an 'ideal world' where every thing is perfect, and every mother and father spends ample time raising their children. It is also very easy to live in a pretend world where Rape, unwanted Pregnancys and STI's don't exist -- Until you are raped, become Pregnant or get an STI.
The sad fact of the matter is that most parents don't spend adaquate time with their children. Quite a lot of children are 'pawned off' to babysitters or Creches during the day, until the parents come home from work, by which time they are too tired to teach their children about sex.
[quotee5d03]I am abhorant to the thought of 'practical labs.' Telling teenagers it's OK to have sex with someone for 'learning' sake? Give me a break. I still find it hard to believe 6th grade girls having babies. What have we come to? [/quotee5d03]
I'm not sure what the word 'abhorant' means(nor does dictionary.com), but I assume you disapprove. I also assume you believe that it is not OK to have sex for learning sake. I believe that if having these practical labs will reduce rape, reduce STI's and reduce Unwanted Pregnancys, then they bloody well are OK.
You say you are 'abhorant'(and from the tone of your post I assume that that is a bad thing). You do not say anything to back it up. I on the other hand have given three good reasons for having such labs, mainly the preventions of STI's, unwanted pregnancys, and Rape. there are many other reasons which I didn't go into, and will not go into, but at least, unlike, AL I have given reasonable Coherent reasons for my point of view.
The sad fact of the matter is that most parents don't spend adaquate time with their children. Quite a lot of children are 'pawned off' to babysitters or Creches during the day, until the parents come home from work, by which time they are too tired to teach their children about sex.
[quotee5d03]I am abhorant to the thought of 'practical labs.' Telling teenagers it's OK to have sex with someone for 'learning' sake? Give me a break. I still find it hard to believe 6th grade girls having babies. What have we come to? [/quotee5d03]
I'm not sure what the word 'abhorant' means(nor does dictionary.com), but I assume you disapprove. I also assume you believe that it is not OK to have sex for learning sake. I believe that if having these practical labs will reduce rape, reduce STI's and reduce Unwanted Pregnancys, then they bloody well are OK.
You say you are 'abhorant'(and from the tone of your post I assume that that is a bad thing). You do not say anything to back it up. I on the other hand have given three good reasons for having such labs, mainly the preventions of STI's, unwanted pregnancys, and Rape. there are many other reasons which I didn't go into, and will not go into, but at least, unlike, AL I have given reasonable Coherent reasons for my point of view.
Hey, I'm never wrong, I have TFX in my name.
[quote17d00="aolTFX"]The sad fact of the matter is that most parents don't spend adaquate time with their children.[/quote17d00]
I agree 100% - and that is the basis of my position. Parents need to be parents, and not let babysitters or TV.
[quote17d00]I'm not sure what the word 'abhorant' means(nor does dictionary.com), but I assume you disapprove.[/quote17d00]
Hmm... I thought it was a word... guess I made it up
My definition of abhorant is strongly opposed to.
[quote17d00] I also assume you believe that it is not OK to have sex for learning sake. I believe that if having these practical labs will reduce rape, reduce STI's and reduce Unwanted Pregnancys, then they bloody well are OK.[/quote17d00]
I think the opposite. If kids are introduced to sex they will want to do it more, thus causing more unplannd pregnancies, and STI.
[quote[You say you are 'abhorant'(and from the tone of your post I assume that that is a bad thing). You do not say anything to back it up. I on the other hand have given three good reasons for having such labs, mainly the preventions of STI's, unwanted pregnancys, and Rape. there are many other reasons which I didn't go into, and will not go into, but at least, unlike, AL I have given reasonable Coherent reasons for my point of view.[/quote]
I personally cannot agree with your analogy that if a rapist could have practiced in school he wouldn't rape. To me that is absurd. I don't know much about them (don't want to) but it seems to me they want more of the domination than the experience of sex. Just letting them 'practice' won't solve their problem.
The reason I'm abhorant is because I see other morals going down every day. Like I said, movies and tv are full of sex - why? Because unfortunately it sells. If we can get back to our morals of waiting until marriage, and only between a husband and wife, then it wouldn't sell. Are these lofty ideals? Probably. Will the tv/movie industry change? Doubtfull. [b17d00]UNLESS[/b17d00] people will adhere to the princeples of the 10 Commandments.
I just think it's a sad society when sex is open, and not private like it was intended to be.
I agree 100% - and that is the basis of my position. Parents need to be parents, and not let babysitters or TV.
[quote17d00]I'm not sure what the word 'abhorant' means(nor does dictionary.com), but I assume you disapprove.[/quote17d00]
Hmm... I thought it was a word... guess I made it up
My definition of abhorant is strongly opposed to.[quote17d00] I also assume you believe that it is not OK to have sex for learning sake. I believe that if having these practical labs will reduce rape, reduce STI's and reduce Unwanted Pregnancys, then they bloody well are OK.[/quote17d00]
I think the opposite. If kids are introduced to sex they will want to do it more, thus causing more unplannd pregnancies, and STI.
[quote[You say you are 'abhorant'(and from the tone of your post I assume that that is a bad thing). You do not say anything to back it up. I on the other hand have given three good reasons for having such labs, mainly the preventions of STI's, unwanted pregnancys, and Rape. there are many other reasons which I didn't go into, and will not go into, but at least, unlike, AL I have given reasonable Coherent reasons for my point of view.[/quote]
I personally cannot agree with your analogy that if a rapist could have practiced in school he wouldn't rape. To me that is absurd. I don't know much about them (don't want to) but it seems to me they want more of the domination than the experience of sex. Just letting them 'practice' won't solve their problem.
The reason I'm abhorant is because I see other morals going down every day. Like I said, movies and tv are full of sex - why? Because unfortunately it sells. If we can get back to our morals of waiting until marriage, and only between a husband and wife, then it wouldn't sell. Are these lofty ideals? Probably. Will the tv/movie industry change? Doubtfull. [b17d00]UNLESS[/b17d00] people will adhere to the princeples of the 10 Commandments.
I just think it's a sad society when sex is open, and not private like it was intended to be.
one more quick observation. showing the proper way to use a condom won't solve the problems. all it does is give a false sense of security. IF i use a condom i won't get pregnant/STI. i just don't think this is correct. no condom is 100%
if we will teach morals, we won't have to teach about how to put on a condom. abstinance IS 100% safe.
if we will teach morals, we won't have to teach about how to put on a condom. abstinance IS 100% safe.
It is the people having sex's choice whether to do it with anyone they meet, wear a condom, wait until they're married etc. The schools shouldn't say, "yeah, have sex with anyone, you'll be fine", but equally they shouldn't say "Wait until you're married". School should educate them about all veiwpoints, and the actual mechanics of it and the parents should back it all up with the morral side but ultimately the choice is up to the people, not the school or the parents.
"that's why I lie in ponds wrapped in my sleeping bag going 'bloop' all night long" - Pit, on IRC
Just misspelled - Abhorrent - Disgusting, loathsome, or repellent
No, schools should not teach them about "all of it". They should teach them the most basic principles. They should teach them about the diseases, just as they would teach about getting cancer from Tobacco. They should not teach them anything beyond that point.
Do we teach them how to safely mix up and cook their crack or heroin so that they can safely inject themselves? No, we tell them to "Just say no". Why can't we tell them the same about sex? If you go by the logic that they are going to do it anyway, then we need to teach them how to safely do drugs, shoot guns, steal, etc.
In the end the solutions are the parents. They need to get up off their butts and take responsibility for their kids. School is not a daycare - it is not there to take care of their kids until they get off work. It is there to teach them - to educate their minds. Anything beyond that is getting into a parents work, and if teachers take that job on, then they need to be held responsible to the Nth degree and be taken into court with the parents when the kids screw up. If they don't want their responsibility to go that far, then they need to stop teaching anything beyond the ABC's. If a parent wants their kids taught that crap, let them pay to send their kid to a private school that will teach it. My tax dollars should not go to teach other parents kids about sex when I have already done my job at home by teaching my kids.
Nope, teachers need to get their butts out of it. Parents need to take the responsibility back, and do the job.
Later,
RushB
No, schools should not teach them about "all of it". They should teach them the most basic principles. They should teach them about the diseases, just as they would teach about getting cancer from Tobacco. They should not teach them anything beyond that point.
Do we teach them how to safely mix up and cook their crack or heroin so that they can safely inject themselves? No, we tell them to "Just say no". Why can't we tell them the same about sex? If you go by the logic that they are going to do it anyway, then we need to teach them how to safely do drugs, shoot guns, steal, etc.
In the end the solutions are the parents. They need to get up off their butts and take responsibility for their kids. School is not a daycare - it is not there to take care of their kids until they get off work. It is there to teach them - to educate their minds. Anything beyond that is getting into a parents work, and if teachers take that job on, then they need to be held responsible to the Nth degree and be taken into court with the parents when the kids screw up. If they don't want their responsibility to go that far, then they need to stop teaching anything beyond the ABC's. If a parent wants their kids taught that crap, let them pay to send their kid to a private school that will teach it. My tax dollars should not go to teach other parents kids about sex when I have already done my job at home by teaching my kids.
Nope, teachers need to get their butts out of it. Parents need to take the responsibility back, and do the job.
Later,
RushB
I love the scene in the kindergarten.