Is the phpBB4 Chameleon style worth it?

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Re: Is the Chameleon style worth it?

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GTi wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 2:54 pm regarding Chameleon being developed by one person.
As I have said more than once - all eggs in one basket, and no forward planning for the future.

If an established framework was to be used that problem would go away.
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GTi wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 2:54 pm A concern I have seen raised twice over the months but removed on both occasions by either moderators or the poster is regarding Chameleon being developed by one person.
Did they say that your comments were "off-topic?"
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Random American wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 3:26 pm
GTi wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 2:54 pm A concern I have seen raised twice over the months but removed on both occasions by either moderators or the poster is regarding Chameleon being developed by one person.
Did they say that your comments were "off-topic?"
No idea as it wasn't me that posted them.

I don't think they would have said the posts were off topic though as AFAIK if someone raises a concern about the development of Chameleon in a Chameleon development topic - it surely can not be classed as off topic.

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I'm kind of surprised this topic didn't disappear into oblivion.
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GTi wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:27 pm AFAIK if someone raises a concern about the development of Chameleon in a Chameleon development topic - it surely can not be classed as off topic.
It all depends on one's point of view. To the majority it is not but to a minority any criticism is considered off topic and may be threatened with an official warning.
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Re: Is the phpBB4 Chameleon style worth it?

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If the person who removes posts that raise a concern about Chameleon being developed by one person is reading this topic, I would like put forward a point to them.

If phpBB was developed by one person, how often would updates be available? - the answer is not very often unless that person was putting literally all of his time into it.

The reason phpBB has been so successful over the years is because there is a team behind it, I don't know if there was a team behind prosilver but that style is relatively easy to learn to work with, Chameleon is a complete rewrite, it isn't using an established framework so everyone else that tries to work with it has also got to learn it and if there is only one developer he will be the one they ask for help which will use even more of his time.

I like Chameleon so I'm not being critical here, I just think it is important to have a team behind the development of the style, this would mean more people can offer support for it and a single developer isn't going to get tired or burned out.

The phpBB team must have known what a huge job designing a framework and style would be - it would surely have made more sense to get a small front end development team together before getting one person to start work on it on his own and then the development of Chameleon would have come a lot further than it has so far.

I notice on David's phpBB support forum Chameleon topic Marc asked Christian (PlanetStyles) if he had any suggestions for frameworks - so maybe that is something that the phpBB team are exploring.

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david63 wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 7:31 am I don't think that anyone disagrees with that statement but the issue is that there will need to be some significant changes made to prosilver if it is to be compatible with phpBB4/Chameleon due to the fact that it is a requirement of Chameleon that all html is removed from the core .php files.
I believe that process has already started in the latest version (3.3.8) some of the html has been moved to the prosilver.

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Mannix_ wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 6:19 am I believe that process has already started in the latest version (3.3.8) some of the html has been moved to the prosilver.
It may, but most of the changes would be far better handled with Twig
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david63 wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:57 am
Mannix_ wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 6:19 am I believe that process has already started in the latest version (3.3.8) some of the html has been moved to the prosilver.
It may, but most of the changes would be far better handled with Twig
From having a look at the code changes - anything added appears to be Twig.

https://area51.phpbb.com/code-changes/3 ... r-template

This was added to: styles/all/template/cron.html

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{#
	Runs the cron task by triggering server request to the URL on load. `img` is
	preferred over JS to ensure maximum compatibility. We use `class="sr-only"`
	to hide visually and `aria-hidden="true"` to hide from screen-readers; using
	`hidden` or `display: none` would prevent the task from running.
#}
<img class="sr-only" aria-hidden="true" src="{{ CRON_TASK_URL|e('html_attr') }}" width="1" height="1" alt="">
This was changed in: styles/prosilver/template/overall_footer.html

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<!-- IF not S_IS_BOT -->{RUN_CRON_TASK}<!-- ENDIF -->
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{% if not S_IS_BOT %}{{ RUN_CRON_TASK }}{% endif %}

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Re: Is the phpBB4 Chameleon style worth it?

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But isn't this all symptomatic of the overall problem? Half phpBB syntax and half Twig syntax - neither one thing or the other! I would have far more confidence if prosilver was to be converted to Twig (as it should have been many versions back)
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