brunoais wrote:exx8 wrote:
I believe that the security issues are solvable.
1.After people suffering from them, right?
2.Think what happened with OpenSSL when they found an error in how memory is handled. It was fixed but until it actually got fixed, lots of potential private data had been stolen.
exx8 wrote:
If IPB and VB have added this feature, it is a standard, which phpbb doesn't follow.
3.... And their versions are
godamn AWFUL. I can say that as I had nearly stopped visiting 5 forums because of that. They are too frustrating to work with.
exx8 wrote:
Can you remember when the development team was against quick replies? Conservatism leads us to nothing.
A user can learn how to use bbcode, but he can in the same probability switch to another board with wysiwyg.
Don't you think it's odd, that phpbb will be soon the last board that hasn't switched to WYSIWYG? it is far more user-friendly.
People are not used to use an archaic, system of programming. If it had been the case, then everyone would have built sites, etc.
Replying in a forum should not be harder than calling your friend with a phone.
4.It seems like you are trying to convince us who are convinced phpBB should have a WYSIWYG editor.
exx8 wrote:
Nobody should learn how to reply in a forum.
5.You are not forced to markup your answer with BBCode. You may just use no BBCode at all.
exx8 wrote:
The first rule, in human engineering, is that an action must be intuitive.
Using bbcode might be intuitive for you, but for most of the users, it isn't.
6.There is no intuitive way of doing this and there never will.
From the point that you need "special characters" with special meanings, you are falling away from the human's intuition.
exx8 wrote:
And this conclusion has been concluded, by most of the developers, including the most conservative ones.
What was the Norma 3 years ago, isn't relevant anymore. While we speak, more and more forums are transferring to WYSIWYG.
7.And most are a piece of *****. Not to consider it is not a transfer task. It is just an editor. You are getting a really bad idea here.
exx8 wrote:
PHPBB can ignore this, and become less and less relevant to its audience.
By the way, the users of IPB and VB probably don't even know what bbcode is. So, yeah, it is a bizarre language.
8.That answers why there are so many complains...
exx8 wrote:
BBcode is like the Gothic Language, it was popular, but it isn't anymore.
I believe, that WYSIWYG is a game changer. So, nobody will die if phpbb won't include WYIWYG, well except of phpbb itself.
9.WaiWaiWait.... WYSIWYG is incompatible with BBCode in your opinion?
exx8 wrote:
brunoais wrote:I also have an extra comment:
Are you sure BBCode is a bizarrer language than Markdown? Markdown only works better than BBCode for the simplest of the simple.
If you think Markdown is better than BBCode, you first start by making a topic on that (give the link too, pls) and specify how can board admins specify to phpBB how custom Markdown should look like.
Have I said a word in favor of markdown? I really don't care what phpbb will do behind the scenes (well I do, but it isn't crucial).
If you want, phpbb can use verses of the bible, to mark its posts. I really don't care.
I believe that before the notifications had been developed, a WYIWYG should have been integrated, this is the most important update that phpbb development team needs to make.
OK, misunderstand from my part.
10.Even still, tell me any WYSIWYG editor on a forum that actually works correctly (i.e. without "hiccups") with included and custom BBCode and allows you to to type directly in the post's source code with assistance (E.g. phpBB's buttons above the post body textarea)
1.but you can say it about every feature. Why should us stop there? let's instead of parsing the BBcode, just present it like it is, I mean it is so intuitive.
2.The risk of W... is probably XSS only. There are far more dangerous features, including those which have been introduced in 3.1.
3. But they are far better than phpbb's. Let's make a poll. Nobody except of the developers, will pick BBcode.
4.So, if we all agree, when it'll be released?
5.I can't quote color or do anything but writing a text without BBcode. I can't use smileys, without BBcode. So, yes I don't have to learn BBcode, I can just switch to a board that works with W...
6.Well, W... is all about not using those codes. Just pressing a button and see the results, which is far more intuitive than coding.
7. But the result is the audience prefers theirs to yours.
8. If it weren't convenient, it wouldn't stay. but it has . Meaning, it is.
9. I think it is actually.
10. In most of the board systems, A user can pick between code and W... it is a fair compromise. And even easier to make (No need to work on conversion of old posts).
PS when I wrote switching, I meant that the users will move from phpbb to MYBB for example.
Louis' suggestion, is the preferable one.
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