First I would like to thank the great work that the programmers have done with phpbb.
Secondly I would suggest an idea for future versions that could be of great interest.
The idea Is to be able to leave a moderator to create subforums without being administrator. the same could happen with other exclusive privileges of the administrator.
what do you think about it?? it could be very helpfull isn´t it??
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- canonknipser
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Re: Suggestion
First, congrats to your perfect title
What is the big benefit of your suggestion? You can give an moderator administrator-privileges without changing the rank or main group. Just create a hidden group in acp and give some admin-privileges to it. At the second, assign this group to the person you will allow to create forums.
For sure, they can create all forum they like, but making a person a moderator or admin, is always a matter of trusting, so just tell them to create only subforums in the forums they are responsible for. If you can't trust a person, don't make him or her a moderator.
The permission system in phpBB is confusing a lot of people, and adding more options to it makes more confusing.
What is the big benefit of your suggestion? You can give an moderator administrator-privileges without changing the rank or main group. Just create a hidden group in acp and give some admin-privileges to it. At the second, assign this group to the person you will allow to create forums.
For sure, they can create all forum they like, but making a person a moderator or admin, is always a matter of trusting, so just tell them to create only subforums in the forums they are responsible for. If you can't trust a person, don't make him or her a moderator.
The permission system in phpBB is confusing a lot of people, and adding more options to it makes more confusing.
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Re: Suggestion
the idea that i have, is to give to an user that i dont know, priviliges to manage his own space in my forum for distributing like he wants.
i gonna have clubs of many hobbys in my forum and i cant give them, administrator´s priviliges.
note that this permission would only apply to a sub-sub-subforum and not at higher levels.
there are many forum of clans of games, group o people that could benefit of this feature. it´s just a suggestion.
i know that permission priviliges are confusing. im relatively new in phpbb and i have some problems with that but i think it´s not reason to progress in this way. it´s my opinion
i gonna have clubs of many hobbys in my forum and i cant give them, administrator´s priviliges.
note that this permission would only apply to a sub-sub-subforum and not at higher levels.
there are many forum of clans of games, group o people that could benefit of this feature. it´s just a suggestion.
i know that permission priviliges are confusing. im relatively new in phpbb and i have some problems with that but i think it´s not reason to progress in this way. it´s my opinion
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Re: Suggestion
Why couldn't you give them admin privileges that are specific to what you need them to be able to do? Just because they have administrative privileges does not mean they get to do everything that is in the ACP if you set their permissions right.
Re: Suggestion
phpbb cant give the permiss to an user to creater subforum from a determinate level. i must to give general permiss for all forum a person who i dont know. that´s why i suggest this.
check this post where we debate all this.
http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopi ... &t=2143569
check this post where we debate all this.
http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopi ... &t=2143569
- canonknipser
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Re: Suggestion
How often does it happen you have to open a new subforum? Once a month? Once a week? Once a day? Every hour?
Moderators and Admins should form a team, so if the moderator sees the need for opening a new sub(subsub)forum he can ask the admins to do
In our forum, there are currently 5 users who are able to create new forums, but no one of us will do it without a team-discussion (including all the moderators).
And, in you have a lot of subforums, really nobody will find the right place to put his content (kiss - keep it small and simple )
For sure, you can write a mod that allows your moderators to open subforums in their "moderator-responsible" forums, but i don't thing it will find the way into the core code, so mod-request-area in phpBB will be the right place for your suggestion
Moderators and Admins should form a team, so if the moderator sees the need for opening a new sub(subsub)forum he can ask the admins to do
In our forum, there are currently 5 users who are able to create new forums, but no one of us will do it without a team-discussion (including all the moderators).
And, in you have a lot of subforums, really nobody will find the right place to put his content (kiss - keep it small and simple )
In my eyes the biggest problem is that you as the board owner give control of main parts of your forum to persons you don't know. As an owner, in most countries of the world, you are responsible for all content at your board. So giving control to unknown people is like stepping with one foot in prisonzenit10 wrote:person who i dont know.
For sure, you can write a mod that allows your moderators to open subforums in their "moderator-responsible" forums, but i don't thing it will find the way into the core code, so mod-request-area in phpBB will be the right place for your suggestion
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Re: Suggestion
i gonna have many clubs in my forum, each one with its own president. i just want to give them the posibility of organizing the way they choice without having to make any request to me. that´s the idea.canonknipser wrote:How often does it happen you have to open a new subforum? Once a month? Once a week? Once a day? Every hour?
somebody told me this area to suggest it. i will post there as well.canonknipser wrote: so mod-request-area in phpBB will be the right place for your suggestion
i think i gonna start learning the code of phpbb. maybe i can do something.
any suggestion how to start would be welcome.
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Re: Suggestion
Admin permissions are global. As this would be a forum-specific admin permission (i.e. "Can create subforums within X forum"), not only would that create a whole new permissions section (Admin's forum permissions), which would increase the complexity and confusion of the permission system in general, but it would also require the creation of even more Admin forum-specific permissions to justify the new permission type (in other words, it doesn't make sense to create a whole new type of permission for one permission option).
All in all, this is just too much to ask, especially for it to be in the core. It seems to be a benefit to about .01% of the user base, if that, and would only create more trouble than it's worth. The permission system was not designed to handle such a scenario. The best way I can think of to achieve this is to do as others have suggested: give the user only the forum management permission(s) and ask them to only work within certain areas. If they overstep their boundaries, you can remove their permission.
In the end, it's a matter of trust. Because many admin control panel actions are permanent, or at least difficult to undo, permission to do such things should be given only to people you trust. If you can't trust someone to work only in a specific area when given the ability to do more, then you shouldn't trust them.
All in all, this is just too much to ask, especially for it to be in the core. It seems to be a benefit to about .01% of the user base, if that, and would only create more trouble than it's worth. The permission system was not designed to handle such a scenario. The best way I can think of to achieve this is to do as others have suggested: give the user only the forum management permission(s) and ask them to only work within certain areas. If they overstep their boundaries, you can remove their permission.
In the end, it's a matter of trust. Because many admin control panel actions are permanent, or at least difficult to undo, permission to do such things should be given only to people you trust. If you can't trust someone to work only in a specific area when given the ability to do more, then you shouldn't trust them.
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Re: Suggestion
I agree with the initial poster that this feature should be in phpBB 4 core if possible. And yeah, this topic needs a better title.