AJAX in Olympus?

[ronoxQ]

Ah, but I DO use vBulletin, you see. I just WISH I could switch to a more open bulletin board: they DO seem to be sadly lacking, which is what I am posting about.

[Highway of Life]

In all honesty, I love AJAX, I really do.
I think it's one of vB's best features.

But I'm glad it is not a standard feature in phpBB3.
I would love to see it in a Mod, and I think we will. But not everyone want's AJAX (as you can tell )

One thing you'll notice... if AJAX was not compatable with all/most browsers, you would not see so many on vB boards around the internet.
As of right now, I don't know of a vB board that does NOT have AJAX.

Just to repeat, it's not going to be in phpBB 3.0, and I don't think it should be.

But I will be one of the first to pick it up as a mod... if I don't design it first

[ronoxQ]

Then again, most people arguing against it make it obvious that they don't know what they mean by AJAX...

[Highway of Life]

I know. I noticed that as well.

Still, It should be left as an optional feature.
A feature yes... but an added optional one.

[Dr.Death]

Yes, AJAX should be a separated MOD.

This will be a MOD i would never install

[Yoda_IRC]

I just WISH I could switch to a more open bulletin board: they DO seem to be sadly lacking, which is what I am posting about.

https://www.sourceforge.net" target="_blank <-- go create a project.
Why don't you help make things better instead of just saying its not good enough.

To the two of you who say people objecting don't know what AJAX is, I think you'll find some of us do know what AJAX is, many people however assume any Javascript is AJAX, and some even think some of the CSS stuff if AJAX, it isn't.

If it doesn't connect back to the server using the XML javascript then you can't really call it AJAX.

And claiming AJAX works on EVERY browser, have you tested EVERY browser? even all the ones for mobile devices and the ones for Mac, Linux and BSD? I suspect not.

Also some browser are configured to block Javascript, this was commonly done when people used it to block javascript popups.

Javascript does have accessability problems, the amount of sites with bad Javascript is appalling, with an extension I could get Javascript errors listed, and many of the sites raised errors.

[Highway of Life]

And claiming AJAX works on EVERY browser, have you tested EVERY browser? even all the ones for mobile devices and the ones for Mac, Linux and BSD? I suspect not.

Every browser on the Mac, yes. Most browsers on Windows, Yes. BSD, yes. Linux... not yet.

Also some browser are configured to block Javascript, this was commonly done when people used it to block javascript popups.

AJAX is easily programmed to get around this. I've done it before.

Javascript does have accessability problems, the amount of sites with bad Javascript is appalling, with an extension I could get Javascript errors listed, and many of the sites raised errors.

But the Olympus Devs would make a great AJAX, don't you think?

I'm not for making AJAX for Olympus by default, it should be a Mod, and will be.
I suspect several in fact.

Also, has anybody forgotten the fact that vB comes with AJAX by default???
If it had compatability issues as bad as what you speak of, they would not use it on such a wide scale, but they do.

[Yoda_IRC]

Also some browser are configured to block Javascript, this was commonly done when people used it to block javascript popups.

AJAX is easily programmed to get around this... I'm surprised you didn't know.

That will teach me for typing without thinking. you can always use <noscript> to display something if Javascript is off, or just write it in such a way that it only provides optional stuff so the user won't notice it turned off. I conceed this point .

Also, has anybody forgotten the fact that vB comes with AJAX by default???
If it had compatability issues as bad as what you speak of, they would not use it on such a wide scale, but they do.

So your saying there aren't widespread compatibility problems? hmm, big companies have compatibility issues, many huge websites do, so why can we assume VB is differant.
Yahoo for instance deliberatly introduces compatibility problems. They scan for and block certian types of browser or OS. I get the message:

We regret that Yahoo! Music videos are not currently supported for Macintosh.

Evidently Linux == Mac.
Many many more sites have compatibility issues.

It is however possible to achieve a reasonably cross platform implementation and provide fall backs for non-script capable browsers if you are very careful about it.

The thing that is actually confusing me is you keep saying "Add AJAX", thats kind of vague, adding AJAX for the sake of AJAX is kind of pointless, in what ways would you like to see AJAX used?

Do you want people to be able to drag things round the screen into differant positions, would you like the forum view to update its topic list without you clicking refresh, would you like a post to be made from the same page as the previous posts and have it add your post to the end without refreshing?

Of course there can also be issues with the back button on certian AJAX systems.

There is also a risk AJAX is a fad that will pass.

Just thought of another, sort of, ajax use, when choosing a name when registering how about a link to check availability without filling in the entire form?

[Highway of Life]

That will teach me for typing without thinking. you can always use <noscript> to display something if Javascript is off, or just write it in such a way that it only provides optional stuff so the user won't notice it turned off. I conceed this point .

Yep! (sorry though, I think I was a bit rude) [edit]<-- ooh look! a bug!... eh... already reported.

So your saying there aren't widespread compatibility problems? hmm, big companies have compatibility issues, many huge websites do, so why can we assume VB is differant.
Yahoo for instance deliberatly introduces compatibility problems. They scan for and block certian types of browser or OS. I get the message:

We regret that Yahoo! Music videos are not currently supported for Macintosh.

Evidently Linux == Mac.
Many many more sites have compatibility issues.

You are right.
Even CSS is not perfect.

I was only thinking of using it (AJAX) for posting... but I don't know what everyone else's intentions are.

[ronoxQ]

I want AJAX for two things: fast-posting and inline editing. Plus, once it's a feature, other AJAX mods can be made. (A great example of how this can work is vbulletin's RPG Inferno. Version 3.0 at gzevolution.net is the coolest mod ever, and all because of AJAX.)