TM wrote:
Not really sure how many times this has to be said. Perhaps I should write a bot to reply. We are not happy with how long it has taken, and have made and will make a number of changes to change this.
Excellent. As I posted up elsewhere on the web, perhaps pso leaving
might help development. New people behind the steering wheel are more eager to work.
Users had the opportunity to have a group (and were encouraged to). They by no means had to "take this entire project on by themselves." It is not appreciated having words shoved in to our mouths. users also were given the outline of each project and had the opportunity express their ideas for what they thought. Not many took advantage of that. That is the problem.
Not exactly what I was saying. Basically I was saying that the people in the community look up to anyone with a special rank at phpbb.com, and simply turning projects loose to whoever wants them without
phpbb team guidance of some sort isn't going to get the job done very well.
In other words, I think it would do phpbb good to have a team of members assembled specifically for team/user collaboration.
Why are they standard features? Because you say they should be? Because everybody else says they are? Since when have you known phpBB to "go with the crowd?"
Basically because a very large amount of forums have these features. IMO, it's a de facto standard, and a lot of people (particularly in places like sitepoint) say they'd use phpbb if they didn't have to modify it to death to get what a lot of people consider standard features.
Though, that is entirely mine and other's opinions, isn't the decision to keep such features out
your opinions? phpbb is such a vast project affecting many people, and it wouldn't be where it's at without many,
many people. Thus I can't say I agree that phpbb's future should be determined on what a few developers think.
Again, this is where user collaboration should come into place. phpbb is after all, for the world to use, right? Then why not ask users for their opinions instead of staying in the private "staff" ring phpbb has been in for so long?
We also don't have full time, paid developers who sit there and do nothing but code all day.
Yeah I figured someone might say that. The one thing you
do have is the advantage of being open source. If phpbb used the open source community like so many other projects are doing, I feel it would greatly profit.
Why does someone need to wake up?
I quite like feature freezing. Adding features in minor releases means more chances of mistakes. More chances of mistakes means more chances of bugs.
Again, extensive collaboration with the phpbb.com community could uncover bugs and exploits rather quickly in new code, and new development might uncover new bugs to be fixed. And not to come off in an offensive manner, but releasing a tried and true piece of software with an extra feature would have way less bugs than a
totally new release. Wouldn't your support team have a much easier time addressing 1 exploit at a time, rather than 20 or 30?
So all of the work we have done lately to make changes that users like you have been wanting such as accelerated development have been for naught. Thanks. That just makes me want to work even harder. Thanks for the encouragement.
Techie, I really don't know why you get all defensive and snotty like you do. Actually, that goes for a few on the phpbb staff. You jump in the position, but then you cry about being mistreated by the users? If you're so discusted with people bugging you, are you
enjoying what you do? I would guess that psoTFX left because he had gotten all he needed(and probably a bit more than he wanted?) of phpbb.
Don't let a bit of criticism make you want to give up. It's just my opinion as a user and part of the phpbb community; However, the community is why phpbb is successful, so it would be fair to at least
try to keep the community's opinion in mind?
Remember, the staff may be the only ones really working at the moment, but that's because the staff isn't asking for help like it could be. Hell, if just asked we could have subSilver on par with today's design standards in a couple weeks. And yes, i'd be willing to help.
But I don't see that form anywhere, and some of us aren't satisfied with making a MOD to correct a problem.
Like I said earlier, the commits into cvs has picked up quite a bit in the recent weeks. This a good thing finally, but like any company knows; every 1 bad marks takes 3 good marks just to break even. phpBB3 was in a stale state for an extremely long time, hense the hostilaties that many seems to have towards each other concerning this project.
