How long will it take for 3.2/Rhea to be out..?

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How long will it take for 3.2/Rhea to be out..?

Post by Dragosvr92 » Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:18 pm

Hello, is there an estimated number of how many 3.1.x versions will be out until 3.2/Rhea gets launched?
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Re: How long will it take for 3.2/Rhea to be out..?

Post by nickvergessen » Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:03 pm

Read the 3.1 announcement? ;)
The phpBB community has been working at a tremendous pace for months to get this release prepared and we plan on riding this wave. Future feature releases will be published on an annual basis, and work on phpBB 3.2 Rhea is already well underway!
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Post by Dragosvr92 » Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:56 pm

Can you be a little more certain than that please? :)
Does that mean that Rhea will be out in about 2016..?
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Post by DavidIQ » Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:10 pm

Based on the announcement we will push for 3.2 to be out near the end of next year or beginning of the following. Nothing more specific will be provided at this time. A more specific date might be provided sometime during the release candidate stage but not likely before.
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Post by Khaos-Rage » Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:11 pm

LoganDark wrote:Unfortunately 3.2 is nonexistent. What we should be talking about 4.0, also codenamed Rhea.
The phpBB github repo would like a word with you about that. ;)

https://github.com/phpbb/phpbb/labels/3.2 (Rhea)

https://github.com/phpbb/phpbb/milestones/3.2.0

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Post by ecwpa » Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:11 pm

DavidIQ wrote:Based on the announcement we will push for 3.2 to be out near the end of next year or beginning of the following.
wow, that's a long time. I was planing on waiting until the new them was out to start working on mine.
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Post by DavidIQ » Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:26 pm

ecwpa wrote:
DavidIQ wrote:Based on the announcement we will push for 3.2 to be out near the end of next year or beginning of the following.
wow, that's a long time. I was planing on waiting until the new them was out to start working on mine.
About one year plus a few more months for a new version is a long time? :|
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Post by Louis7777 » Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:26 pm

DavidIQ wrote: About one year plus a few more months for a new version is a long time? :|
It's not a long time for a new major release. However, it may seem a long time while waiting for a specific feature.

You know that when a feature doesn't make it into a major version then you'll have to wait another year for it, because the minor versions are only about bugs fixes and code improvements - no new features.

For example, 3.1 had to be out and there was no time for a PM dropdown so it got postponed till next version. Perhaps 3.2 will be out and "@mentions" won't make it into it so even if a developer has it 2/3 completed by then, it will have to wait for another year.

Imo the minor versions could contain a feature every now and then.

That would also be good for keeping up with competitor forum software, apart from making members happy.

Take MyBB for example. For version 2.0, their next major release, which "is currently in very early stages of development and is a long way off being released" they are planning to have things that phpBB already has e.g. "Twig will be the template engine" and "2.0 will use jquery". It would be more prudent for them to add jQuery in a minor release rather than wait another year to have it in their major release.

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Post by Dragosvr92 » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:35 pm

Louis7777 wrote: Imo the minor versions could contain a feature every now and then.
1+ Especially if they are minor features that can be done with a single line of css.

I've made at least 2-3 requests to add features that were done by only one line of css and they have been refused because they wouldnt add any new features in 3.0. Later on, one or two were added in 3.1 though... After lots of pushbacks. But 3.0 users still dont have them.

This is one feature/fix i can think of. Use vertical resize on the textarea
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Post by DavidIQ » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:44 pm

We've heard that same argument before and nowadays it makes little to no sense. Extensions now exist and for good reason so there's no point in forcing things into the core anymore. If they make it in they make it in. If not then there's a 2 step process to adding the functionality through an extension. Having a stable environment for extension developers that allows for their work to be used with technologies that makes their lives easier and that gives more power and flexibility in the design of extensions is far more important than cramming in features into a version release, much less a maintenance release. Further trumping that argument is the fact that we now offer official extensions that are supported by the phpBB teams.

Also MyBB is doing development the right way. Adding new features is a great way to introduce new bugs and instability into an already stable system and doing it in a maintenance release is generally just not a smart thing to do. You might think "it's so easy to just add jQuery into a release" but they're thinking about the bigger picture, about how doing that could have a negative effect on existing Mods and plugins, about how it will interact with their own existing JavaScript, about how it could improve their existing JS, etc. I can see where a very small feature could be added but adding new features into a maintenance release is a terrible idea. I've seen it bomb in other projects and sometimes the explosion is large enough that it severely impacts normal operations.
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