[Define New Theme] 10. HTML needs to be semantic and follow best practices utilizing HTML5 when possible.

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[Define New Theme] 10. HTML needs to be semantic and follow best practices utilizing HTML5 when possible.

Post by hanakin » Sat May 24, 2014 8:07 pm

*Note This is part 10 of a series found here

We need to construct a better semantic HTML structure for the template prior to doing any sort of design work. This allows us to define the structure based on the content rather than trying to make the structure fit a design and rendering garbled content. It also allows for better search engine optimization since it will be extremely parseable with proper weight being given where it should. In order to accomplish this however their may be some minor changes to the aesthetic of the theme.

What this will provide
  1. Better more readable HMTL
  2. Both design and HTML fit the content
  3. Better parsability by search engines and crawlers leading to improved SEO
  4. Easier modularity as everything should be built in blocks that are reusable
  5. Easier themeability due to improved structure
This however requires an answer to viewtopic.php?f=81&t=45563 on how to handle a grid system as class based grids will add to the complexity of the HTML since we will need twice as many wrapping elements

I put together a quick mock-up test case http://midaym.com/test/mino/semantic-index.html, I left out the nav elements as they are irrelevant for the over all hierarchy if you plug it into this http://gsnedders.html5.org/outliner/ you get a very clean parsed outline

something like this
  1. PHPBB | Creating Communities PHPBB
    1. Forum Group 1
      1. Forum 1
      2. Forum 2
      3. Forum 3
    2. Forum Group 2
      1. Forum 1
      2. Forum 2
      3. Forum 3
    3. Forum Group 3
      1. Forum 1
      2. Forum 2
      3. Forum 3
    4. Forum Group 4
      1. Forum 1
      2. Forum 2
      3. Forum 3
    5. POWERED BY PHPBB� FORUM SOFTWARE � PHPBB GROUP ALL TIMES ARE GMT+00:00 | TIME : 0.646S | 20 QUERIES | GZIP : ON
Compare that to what you currently get with 3.1 prosilver
  1. Development Discussion Board
    1. Who is online
    2. Birthdays
    3. Statistics
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Re: [Define New Theme] 10. HTML needs to be semantic and follow best practices utilizing HTML5 when possible.

Post by Weskey » Tue May 27, 2014 5:02 pm

I agree on every point you mentioned.
I say we should also look favorably to the extensive use of Microdata on the forum is something imperceptible to the user, but it can bring a great return to the forum itself, and your posts, discussions, and users being displayed in search engines with their due form.

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Re: [Define New Theme] 10. HTML needs to be semantic and follow best practices utilizing HTML5 when possible.

Post by hanakin » Tue May 27, 2014 5:19 pm

Weskey wrote:I agree on every point you mentioned.
I say we should also look favorably to the extensive use of Microdata on the forum is something imperceptible to the user, but it can bring a great return to the forum itself, and your posts, discussions, and users being displayed in search engines with their due form.

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Re: [Define New Theme] 10. HTML needs to be semantic and follow best practices utilizing HTML5 when possible.

Post by Pony99CA » Wed May 28, 2014 1:55 am

hanakin wrote:I put together a quick mock-up test case http://midaym.com/test/mino/semantic-index.html, I left out the nav elements as they are irrelevant for the over all hierarchy if you plug it into this http://gsnedders.html5.org/outliner/ you get a very clean parsed outline

something like this
  1. PHPBB | Creating Communities PHPBB
    1. Forum Group 1
      1. Forum 1
      2. Forum 2
      3. Forum 3
    2. Forum Group 2
      1. Forum 1
      2. Forum 2
      3. Forum 3
    3. Forum Group 3
      1. Forum 1
      2. Forum 2
      3. Forum 3
    4. Forum Group 4
      1. Forum 1
      2. Forum 2
      3. Forum 3
    5. POWERED BY PHPBB� FORUM SOFTWARE � PHPBB GROUP ALL TIMES ARE GMT+00:00 | TIME : 0.646S | 20 QUERIES | GZIP : ON
Compare that to what you currently get with 3.1 prosilver
  1. Development Discussion Board
    1. Who is online
    2. Birthdays
    3. Statistics
Huh? When I go to Area 51, I see:
  1. 1.Development Discussion Board
    1. Forum Group 1
      1. Forum 1
      2. Forum 2
      3. Forum 3
    2. Forum Group 2
      1. Forum 1
      2. Forum 2
      3. Forum 3
    3. Forum Group 3
      1. Forum 1
      2. Forum 2
      3. Forum 3
    4. Forum Group 4
      1. Forum 1
      2. Forum 2
      3. Forum 3
    5. Who is online
    6. Birthdays
    7. Statistics
    8. POWERED BY PHPBB...
Technically, there's also a navigation area before the forum lists, too.

Your post makes it seem as if phpBB no longer has a forum list on the index page.

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Re: [Define New Theme] 10. HTML needs to be semantic and follow best practices utilizing HTML5 when possible.

Post by hanakin » Wed May 28, 2014 4:33 am

if you read the post I stated I removed that for this example. This is not a full site just the HTML for the semantics of the logo and the forum structure. I left out the rest for simplicity for this specific example of why semantics needs to be addressed and how

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Re: [Define New Theme] 10. HTML needs to be semantic and follow best practices utilizing HTML5 when possible.

Post by Pony99CA » Thu May 29, 2014 1:53 am

Yes, you said that you "left out the nav elements as they are irrelevant for the over all hierarchy". You didn't say that you left out all of the forum index (which was my main point -- the nav part was an aside).

However, given your disclaimer, does that mean that your including Who Is Online, Birthdays and Statistics means that they are relevant for the hierarchy? Those items are also at phpBB.com, so I'm not sure why you mentioned them here.

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Re: [Define New Theme] 10. HTML needs to be semantic and follow best practices utilizing HTML5 when possible.

Post by hanakin » Thu May 29, 2014 4:50 am

I was testing something, they are not important to hierarchy, just the logo and forums themselves. as my post outlined. As for why you get something different then me are you logged in when you copied the viewsource

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Re: [Define New Theme] 10. HTML needs to be semantic and follow best practices utilizing HTML5 when possible.

Post by Louis7777 » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:41 pm

hanakin wrote:
Sat May 24, 2014 8:07 pm
We need to construct a better semantic HTML structure for the template prior to doing any sort of design work.
Any updates on this? Will it make it in 3.2?

The posts could become more semantic for a start. Here's a proposed skeleton:

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<article class="post">
	<header>
		<h3><!-- Post title goes here --></h3>
		<p class="author">Posted by Louis7777 on
			<time datetime="2015-08-01T21:40">August 1st, 2015 at 9:40PM</time>
		</p>
	</header>
	<aside class="postprofile"><!-- Mini profile --></aside>

	<div class="postbody">
	<!-- POST CONTENT GOES HERE -->
	</div>

	<footer class="signature">
	<!-- User signature -->
	</footer>
</article>

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Re: [Define New Theme] 10. HTML needs to be semantic and follow best practices utilizing HTML5 when possible.

Post by callumacrae » Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:18 pm

That would be really nice from an accessibility perspective, too 👍
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