I agree that the positioning of the MCP and ACP links is poor, but that's not really relevant to whether there should be a PM link.hanakin wrote:Not sure I understand reasoning for no hover? unless you are referring to mobile devices which do not do a hover function. I would argue that the MCP link is in a really stupid place anyway... it should be beside the UCP link and so should the admin link fo that matter as they are related in or share common ground this is the point I am trying to make that the entire interface for the current theme is all over the place and inconsistent.imkingdavid wrote:Changing the notifications drop down to open when it is hovered over may be a bad idea due to its close proximity to the MCP link. People with bad aim may get annoyed when the notifications drop down covers the mcp and they have to move the mouse away and then back when they're trying to get to the MCP instead of the notifications.
As for the PM link in the notifications drop down, I think it should remain separate. Currently, the notification settings link is in that spot, and making the user click twice to get to the PM link is what we're trying to avoid anyway.
You don't know what I understand. I don't see you presenting a proposal for a redesigned UI, just moving one link. If you want to propose a new UI, I'd love to see it, but that's a topic for an RFC.hanakin wrote:Again you misunderstand the point of the argument its that the entire interface is not thought out. It does not work for multiple devices. It was created over a decade ago when the concept of interface (UX/UI) did not exist. aka "The Dark Ages"Pony99CA wrote: "Why should he have to display notifications to click the link?" The point is that users should see the link to the PM area without any user interaction.
Plus, if the user doesn't have any Notifications (like I currently don't), hovering over the link doesn't display the Notifications window.
Remember, Private Mesages are not Notifications -- the arrival of a new PM is a Notification. Even if I don't have any PMs, I may still want to send one out. Your proposal seems to confuse the two.
The point that you're ignoring or missing is that our users expect a PM link there, so we should keep it there. You also ignored my point that PMs are not notifications (if I turn all notifications off, I still get the PMs) and therefore making the Notifications box the "main" link to the PM page is mixing metaphors and therefore poor design. It would be similar to moving the Subscribe forum link to the Notifications box because forum subscription notifications get displayed there.
P.S. Your comment about UI design timing is also wrong. I was working on UI design back in the early 90s (before the Web) on PC programs. Even if you discount PC programs, Jakob Nielsen was working on Web Usability back in the late 90s. Here's a link to his book, Designing Web Usability, published in 1999 (which, given publishing lag times, probably meant that much of it was 2-3 years old by that time).
Usability expectations have certainly come a long way since then, but to say that the concept didn't exist is completely ridiculous.