There are a gross number of things that you still don't seem to "get", so I'll entrtain myself in replying here too...
I believe a few here on the development team etc could take a few lesson's in patience and friendliness from the guy's over at SMF.
May I remind you that SMF is a commercial outfit and by definition will have an interest in making money some way or another. The software may be "free", though it is certainly not "libre" as per in the OSS definition.
The point is LIKE HERE they are FREE. You have the OPTION of paying for better support ( Even without paying the support is good )and as well for paying you get first crack at new releases. They have solid reasoning as to why they went the route they did for thier license. In short the same happend to them as you all back when phpbb2 was released.
You are also mistaking "handling-wth-kid-gloves" as being friendliness. Also, you are mistaking "short-and-direct" (read terse
) as being rudeness. OSS people generally of a technical background and if there is anything in common with them is the fact of the general distain for "time wasters". Furthemore, support in OSS (excluding paid distro support) is also very different to commrcial software... and generally of the ilk "help you help yourself". If that rubs you up the wrong way... use something else. Thanks for this tip. But still it isnt a good excuse because MOST people are NOT aware of how thing's work behind the scenes.
Yeah i know that seing people ask this or that be it about release dates, adding features, etc may get old to you all but i know for a fact from being at their site almost as much as here that they get asked the same things day in and day out just like here BUT rarely IF ever get irate with people when stuff like that is asked and or discussed this especially applies to feature request.
Spelling, punctuation, grammar goes a long way. Online, you are what you write
and anything which wastes time in people reading what you have to say is likely to reflect badly upon yourself. Writing in a clear, lucid, structured manner is more likely to get your point across... even if the point may be of ideologcally opposing views to the reader.
Nice way to shy away from my comment that i am VERY SURE YOU and everyone else understood. Doesnt say much about oneself when they have to go the route you did to avoid that comment of mine. Dont let my poorly written comment fool you either.
I never have and never will care what people who i will never meet NOR do business with think about my grammer on a BB. I have found that most people who take issue with such thing's usually do it to avoid the subject at hand. Nice way to TRY and win a argument/discussion by TRYING to discredit someone over thier grammer. Your certainly not the best of debaters i can see. Again i say you can take lesson's from SMF when dealing with the public.
Plus it may help if you all had a forum just for the purpose of feedback/feature request.
There is a forum for feedback of implimented features
. It's also been stated very clearly that there are to be no feature requests whatsoever
. The original plan for "phpBB2.2" got broader in scope as it was being developed, and thus aside from being renamed (as per Linux kernel tradition of changed API) to "phpBB3.0" and moving some features that can't be implimented between than and "Gold", to "phpBB3.2".
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that by definition then, all features at least up to "phpBB3.2" are frozen
, aside from fixing whatever bugs in the current implimentation there may be. By extension... this means requests for new features also wouldn't ahppen till whenver "phpBB3.4" gets started.
Firstly i understand what that forum states. No need for the side comment's. I already stated my opinion on this which again you side stepped. I know features cannot be added till atleast 3.2
Doesnt mean every feature has to be added either. However it does show that you all here at phpbb care about the USERS of your software and what they think.
Aside from the above, phpBB first and foremost cares about the software it produces. It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference if it's one user (ourselves), 100 users or 10 million users.
phpBB has it's own vision for the software and if a users likes it, great. If they don't, then they are free to use something else. If they don't like how some things are implimented, then by the nature of it's opensourceness, are free to fork it (assuming they abide by the requirements of the license).
Very good points here. Believe me i know you all care about your software. That is great and how it should be. However i dont believe it to be a wise decision NOT to care about those who use it.Doesnt add much to the creditbility factor either.JMHO
Every software site (BOTH FREE and Paid for) i have ever been to has this except here.
Hyperbole and logical fallicy of appeal to authority. I suggest you read the really rather good "Producing Opensource", penned by the author of Subversion, on why OSS projects are the way they are. http://www.producingoss.com/
Again you avoid the issue at hand and are trying to take the easy route out. And again i say ANY software site i have been to BOTH FREE ( And yes opensource ) and paid has a feedback/feature request forum. Your using that link as a excuse to avoid the question/comment at hand. Anyway's it was a suggestion i had. Evidently you are NOT for it.