Kellanved wrote:Why would it be inefficient ?
Let me see if I can make this any simpler, not promising anything but here goes:
Today: With 3.0.4 the way I utilize the software I can define all regular users permissions utilizing just one group, 'Registered users' < - 1 group
I do not have any groups or forums specifically defined to moderate posts, all users in the group have the same board permissions.
Next release: 3.0.? would force me to use two groups to maintain the exact same functionality that I have today with just the one. Two groups that would have all but one identical permissions. Anything that requires more structure
than exists today to do the same thing
tomorrow is not what I consider efficient.
Kellanved wrote:Admins who do not want to use it can turn it off
Sure I can, but you penalize me for it. If I disable it I no longer have the existing spam catchall that applies to all members regardless of their group membership.
Kellanved wrote:However, it seems to me that you want to treat your users with a low postcount differently.
Quite the opposite exactly.
I want all my members to be 'Registered users' and nothing more no matter their post count. If I had ever wanted to use a group to implement a mod queue I would have, there is nothing stopping me or anyone else from doing that today. But there was no need, the ever elegant 'enable post queue' was there to eliminate the need for duplication and segregation. Now that function still exists actually, and its still global actually (yes it really is global because if you look at it, it's a general board setting that is either on or off), now you just restrict its use to your new pre-defined group, no flexibility there at all, is there? If it was really a permission I should be able to apply it to any group if I want, or not. The way it is structured now, you have created and basically leg shackled that global function to a specific group. Unless of course I am missing something and I can apply the post queue to my existing Registered users group and disable the whole autogroup nonsense I never needed or asked for.
If you notice, I have never begrudged anyone who may find this *feature* useful, they are free to use it as they wish, I just wish the same consideration had been given to those of us who have no need or desire for it.
Roberdin wrote:I thought the new users group membership could be configured by post count, and not join date?
Exactly. So why is it called 'Newly registered users'? <- rhetorical
Seems rather an odd name for something that is defined exclusively by post count and not register date. Yet another reason for not having a pre-defined group and allowing us to specify or create our own if we choose to.
Roberdin wrote:But that doesn't apply to everybody, it applies to everyone with fewer than one post, and those people comprise a group. A group, in fact, of new users. Why not officially reflect that?
Ermm not really. It applies to everybody, the fact that the criteria used is post count does not create a defacto group within a group, it is merely a subset of the group and can exist as a subset within the larger group without having to literally separate them into their own member group.
Roberdin wrote:But that is exactly what you want to do. Define "New users" as everyone with fewer than one post
Nope. Exactly the opposite of what I want. I will say it again as plain as I can, I do not want to be forced to use an additional group to maintain the functionality I have today with just the one
Don't worry about it though, all this really means is that I never upgrade the boards I still maintain.