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Global Warming

Postby Xboxsosmart » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:14 am

Personally, I think it sucks.

The idiotic weatherman called for 5-6" of snow and we only got 1" because of a sudden change of temperature. I really want to smack him in the face real hard.

To add to that, I haven't gotton to go ice skating on the backyard pond because of the high temps.

If anything, Bush will form an organization about it but noOOoo. They have a budget, and they don't care.

The NOAA or whatever it is looked at the situation and said, "If it worsens, then we will take action." Well guess what? Because of your decision
1)Polar Ice caps are melting, and while thats happening, the North pole melted a new boat path which started "The Race to the Top of the World"! If they haven't noticed, Antarctica holds 90% of the worlds fresh water and ice, so if that all melts then major coastal cities like Seattle, or Manhatten, will be underwater.
2) Because of Global Warming, the Great Barrier Reef will be extinct in about 40 years. Not a long time. Global Warming has produced many other nature problems.

Say what you think about this here.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby will_hough » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:36 pm

Global Warming is a load of crap.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby Xboxsosmart » Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:14 pm

will_hough wrote:Global Warming is a load of crap.

We hear you.

In 2004, I didn't need a sled to go down the hill. I just sat and I went down.

2006, I didn't have a white christmas. Starting of severe Global Warming.

This all sucks, and no one is listening. I have seen houses that NEVER TURN LIGHTS OFF. This is part of the reason why global warming is in affect.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby Phil » Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:11 am

You are confusing weather and climate. Global warming is a so-called climate change -- long term. Two, three, four years, is not long term. That being said, I'm with Will -- it's crap -- but it can't even be blamed for what you're saying.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby Techie-Micheal » Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:44 pm

iWisdom wrote:You are confusing weather and climate. Global warming is a so-called climate change -- long term. Two, three, four years, is not long term. That being said, I'm with Will -- it's crap -- but it can't even be blamed for what you're saying.
While I agree that the climate is changing, I don't see how when this is one of the worst winters the world has seen (as opposed to specific areas) in the past several years it can be attributed to global warming. Japan got dumped on a few weeks ago with a ton of snow IIRC. This winter, while sporadic, has produced more cold weather and snow/ice than I've seen in the past 3 or 4 years.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby SamG » Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:05 pm

A couple of years ago I read that people in mid-latitudes will begin to experience unusual weather extremes due to global warming. For my area, that seems true for this winter. For example, we went in a matter of four or five hours from mid-forties and rain to single digits and blizzard-like conditions. Sort of reminded me of the Genesis planet. :)
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Re: Global Warming

Postby Highway of Life » Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:03 am

Techie-Micheal wrote:
iWisdom wrote:You are confusing weather and climate. Global warming is a so-called climate change -- long term. Two, three, four years, is not long term. That being said, I'm with Will -- it's crap -- but it can't even be blamed for what you're saying.
While I agree that the climate is changing, I don't see how when this is one of the worst winters the world has seen (as opposed to specific areas) in the past several years it can be attributed to global warming. Japan got dumped on a few weeks ago with a ton of snow IIRC. This winter, while sporadic, has produced more cold weather and snow/ice than I've seen in the past 3 or 4 years.

This area of Washington state, where I live, is seeing the most severe (in terms of cold and snowy conditions) since 1969. Wow, that means that Global Warming is having an impact!!
... oh wait, that meant that Global Warming must have been having an impact in 1969 too!

The climate *is* changing, for different reasons than the media try to convince people of.
The climate has *always* been changing, in Earth’s history, there have been more extreme heat and cold (during Human occupation of our planet) than what we are experiencing now. We’ve had Winters and cold that is more severe, we’ve had heat that is more severe. It’s going through another cycle of heat right now.
Whenever a Volcano erupts, the earth Temperature drops a noticeable degree or more -- This is very significant on a Global scale.
Whenever the Sun emits sunspots, the Earth Temperature rises a noticeable degree or more -- Again, very significant on a Global scale.

We also recently (a few years ago) had some of the most spectacular Northern Lights (Aura Borealis) we’ve had in decades, which indicated a high degree of solar flare activity.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby SamG » Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:55 pm

It's well known that slight fluctuations in solar output have measurable effects on our weather (so long term changes in solar output mean long term climate change), and it's well known that we've had radiacally different weather in the past than we have now.

When it comes to global warming as an environmental issue, it's just part of a question of stewardship. So what if humans contribute only 5% (random figure) to environmental change? Can we consume energy at the current pace over long periods (leaving aside the current increase in energy consumption)? Can we introduce hazardous materials into the enviroment at the current pace over long periods? In other words, is what we call modern life sustainable environmentally? Those are stewardship question that seem reasonable to ask, regardless of political or media abuse of the issue.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby Highway of Life » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:14 pm

Indeed, and moving off of fossil fuels can only be a good thing... but not moving to Ethanol, which is a really bad idea.
The best long-term solution is Fuel Cell cars, the best short term solution is Gas/Electric hybrids.
Although it will take a while to have a measurable impact in our environment from the cars we drive, at least 20 to 30 more years.

The biggest offenders to the environment, high-energy waste and high-energy consumption comes from Factories and Al Gore-type people (respectively).
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Re: Global Warming

Postby SamG » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:40 pm

Since modern life -- what we call "progress" -- depends on factories and on consumption, the whole techno-industrial state ought to come under scrutiny. People who defend modernism as preferable to the alternatives are hard pressed to explain, it seems to me, how a return to the alternatives is not somehow inevitable, since modern living is hugely expensive and difficult to sustain.

I remember reading somehwere that Thomas Jefferson envisioned the new republic as a nation of gentlemen farmers. Maybe his vision was a little shortsighted in some ways, but not in others. :)
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