Here wGEric suggests combining the rfc forums into one.
Here's the thought process: Despite 3.1's feature freeze, almost any feature that is completed by 3.1-A can be included in the codebase if deemed okay by the development team. As such, separating the RFC forums only makes things confusing.
Here's my proposal: Have one forum for 3.x RFCs and one forum for 4.x RFCs. Any RFC in 3.x RFCs that is completed by a version release will be included in that version. Any RFC not completed is then simply pushed back to subsequent versions. That's basically how it is now, except that RFCs are in two separate forums, which makes it confusing for members.
Another thought (from Oleg) would be to combine the RFC and Discussion forums, and then when a topic becomes ready to be an RFC, the first post would be edited (by a development team member, if the original author is not the one implementing the RFC) to state the RFC specifics and such. (Personally, I think it's okay to keep the two forums separate, but I'm not opposed to this idea either. There are a lot of places to discuss the same feature idea as it is.)
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Re: Combine RFC forums
+1 to combining the forums. Although if an RFC is merged maybe it should be moved into a sub-forum specifically for that version to keep the main forum tidy and so you can see what is already in a release.
Also, perhaps topic icons should be used if the RFC is written for a particular version. For e.g. my HTML 5 Technologies RFC wouldn't work in 3.1 as not enough browsers support HTML 5 yet, but by 3.2 hopefully enough browsers will support it.
As for combining discussion and RFC forums, I can see the idea in this, but not all discussion topics for a version are suggestions for features etc. so some sort of discussion forum needs to be kept?
Also, perhaps topic icons should be used if the RFC is written for a particular version. For e.g. my HTML 5 Technologies RFC wouldn't work in 3.1 as not enough browsers support HTML 5 yet, but by 3.2 hopefully enough browsers will support it.
As for combining discussion and RFC forums, I can see the idea in this, but not all discussion topics for a version are suggestions for features etc. so some sort of discussion forum needs to be kept?
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Re: Combine RFC forums
I'm for it especially since I'm also of the opinion that we should go from 3.1 to 4.0 and just skip over 3.2 altogether. Combining the RFC forums would allow those RFCs for 3.2 that have been completed to be part of 3.1 instead. This does kind of make the whole feature freeze thing irrelevant though...
I would also suggest that further separation be made so that the accepted RFCs are in one forum, rejected ones in another, and those that are still being discussed remain in the main RFC forum for the specific version.
I would also suggest that further separation be made so that the accepted RFCs are in one forum, rejected ones in another, and those that are still being discussed remain in the main RFC forum for the specific version.
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Re: Combine RFC forums
I'd say that's a good thing - it goes back to the old logic of "You never finish a project, you just carry on coding until you realise that you have enough for a release".DavidIQ wrote:This does kind of make the whole feature freeze thing irrelevant though...
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We should wait to decide on that until 3.1 is out, probably.DavidIQ wrote:I'm for it especially since I'm also of the opinion that we should go from 3.1 to 4.0 and just skip over 3.2 altogether.
IMO it has been irrelevant for a while. Because we have been merging new rfcs that are done by 3.1-a. Which is what makes the separate RFC forums unnecessary.DavidIQ wrote:Combining the RFC forums would allow those RFCs for 3.2 that have been completed to be part of 3.1 instead. This does kind of make the whole feature freeze thing irrelevant though...
That would help decrease clutter. Maybe, however, a "Resolved RFCs" subforum for merged and rejected ones together as a subforum to the main RFCs forum.DavidIQ wrote:I would also suggest that further separation be made so that the accepted RFCs are in one forum, rejected ones in another, and those that are still being discussed remain in the main RFC forum for the specific version.
Also, we should make the 3.1 Hook RFCs just a Hook RFCs forum (since we may need to add hooks later on).
Why not just put it in the topic title if an RFC has to wait for a specific version.Unknown Bliss wrote:Also, perhaps topic icons should be used if the RFC is written for a particular version. For e.g. my HTML 5 Technologies RFC wouldn't work in 3.1 as not enough browsers support HTML 5 yet, but by 3.2 hopefully enough browsers will support it.
Re: Combine RFC forums
Hi.
I like the idea of combining the RFC forums, as for combining the RFC and discussion forums, I think this would be a good oportunity to move the features discussion to phpbb.com.
Things would be like this:
In the FFF (features/feedback forum at phpbb.com) people can talk about features, etc. If/when an idea comes up every once in a while a Mod (¿or anyone?) can open a Poll. People will vote and you could take into account the number of people who voted (popularity) and the people in favor and against it. Keep it simple, I don't think there's a real need to complicate things further.
(This way people will hopefully feel more implicated in the project and developers can easilly find if a feature is needed/wanted/liked...)
If there isn't already a topic for the same idea in area51, open it and discuss implementation as usual. (If there's already a topic in area51, well, it doesn't hurt if people want to talk about it on phpbb.com, right?)
So, IMHO:
Maybe part of my post should be on this topic?: RFC Process Change Suggestion. Feel free to disregard it then, and sorry.
I like the idea of combining the RFC forums, as for combining the RFC and discussion forums, I think this would be a good oportunity to move the features discussion to phpbb.com.
Things would be like this:
- phpBB.com
- Actual forums
- Features/feedback forum
- area51
- 3.x Forum (RFC Topics mostly, but also discussion topics if needed)
- 4.x Forum (Same as 3.x)
In the FFF (features/feedback forum at phpbb.com) people can talk about features, etc. If/when an idea comes up every once in a while a Mod (¿or anyone?) can open a Poll. People will vote and you could take into account the number of people who voted (popularity) and the people in favor and against it. Keep it simple, I don't think there's a real need to complicate things further.
(This way people will hopefully feel more implicated in the project and developers can easilly find if a feature is needed/wanted/liked...)
If there isn't already a topic for the same idea in area51, open it and discuss implementation as usual. (If there's already a topic in area51, well, it doesn't hurt if people want to talk about it on phpbb.com, right?)
So, IMHO:
- Combining 3.1-3.2 forums, OK.
- Combining Discussion and RFC forums, OK. And optionally->
- Create a features discussion forum on phpbb.com, and simply making polls for every feature or something like that.
Maybe part of my post should be on this topic?: RFC Process Change Suggestion. Feel free to disregard it then, and sorry.
Re: Combine RFC forums
+1DavidIQ wrote:I'm for it ...
+++++++++++++++1DavidIQ wrote:I'm for it especially since I'm also of the opinion that we should go from 3.1 to 4.0 and just skip over 3.2 altogether.
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Re: Combine RFC forums
Maybe something like this perhaps?:
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- phpBB.com Redirect (Is this really needed with the phpBB.com header link?)
- General Development Discussion
- 3.x Development
- 3.x Development Discussion
- 3.x RFCs & New feature suggestions
- 3.x Hooks RFCs
- 3.x Resolved Hook RFCs
- Resolved RFCs
- 3.1.x Merged RFCs
- 3.2.x Merged RFCs (Only when 3.1 reaches alpha)
- 3.x Rejected Features/RFCs
- 3.x Hooks RFCs
- 4.x Development
- 4.x Development Discussion
- 4.x RFCs & New features discussion
- Resolved RFCs
- 4.0.x Merged RFCs
- 4.x Rejected Features/RFCs
- Resolved RFCs
- Current Stable Branch
- 3.0.x
- 3.0.x Discussion
- 3.0.x New features discussion
- 3.0.x
- phpBB.com Redirect (Is this really needed with the phpBB.com header link?)
- General Development Discussion
- 3.x Development
- 3.x Development Discussion
- 3.x RFCs & New features discussion
- 3.x Hooks RFCs
- 3.x Resolved Hook RFCs
- Resolved RFCs
- 3.2.x Merged RFCs
- 3.x Rejected Features/RFCs
- 3.x Hooks RFCs
- 4.x Development
- 4.x Development Discussion
- 4.x RFCs and New features discussion
- Resolved RFCs
- 4.0.x Merged RFCs
- 4.x Rejected Features/RFCs
- Resolved RFCs
- Current Stable Branch
- 3.0.x
- 3.0.x Discussion
- 3.1.x
- 3.1.x Discussion
- 3.1.x New features discussion
- 3.0.x
- Development Archive
- 3.1.x Merged Development RFCs
- 3.0.x New features discussion
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Re: Combine RFC forums
+1 on what Unknown Bliss suggested, except I won't make the resolved forums subforums. I will take care of this later today, unless any reason not to is brought up.
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Re: Combine RFC forums
Sounds good to me.naderman wrote:+1 on what Unknown Bliss suggested, except I won't make the resolved forums subforums. I will take care of this later today, unless any reason not to is brought up.