<YuriyRusko> https://www.phpbb.com/community/downloa ... &mode=view
<YuriyRusko> I think it's easily a step in the right direction
<YuriyRusko> The wrench there doesn't make sense, however
<YuriyRusko> Wrench implies tools. It is easily confusable with the "quick-mod tools" that's there as well
<PayBas> what did you have in mind?
<PayBas> quick-mod is only for mods of course, so that particular item doesn't need to be "noob friendly"
<YuriyRusko> UI is UI
<YuriyRusko> We have that gear at the top for "Advanced search, etc."
<YuriyRusko> Why not add the "bookmark topic", "print view", "download all attachments" there instead?
<DavidIQ> I think it's fine where it is...putting it with advanced search I don't think makes sense especially since it sort of ceases to be a part of the topic
<PayBas> because it also includes subscribe, bump, email and "download all attachments"
<PayBas> (not visible on the screenshot)
<YuriyRusko> People don't associate "view new posts" with the search anyway
<YuriyRusko> So the idea that it's the "advanced search options" is lost on 99% of users, I would imagine
<PayBas> Everything you want to hide using a menu will be confusing for the first 5 minutes
<PayBas> icons only go so far as to indicate what it does
<YuriyRusko> My point is that it needs to make sense, so people learn an interface that makes sense, and then get used to it
<YuriyRusko> I don't want people getting used to an interface that places things into seemingly arbitrary dropdowns
<YuriyRusko> The things under the wrench are not "tools"
<YuriyRusko> So that is not good
<PayBas> If you change "view unread posts" to "search unread posts", it becomes logical like magic
<PayBas> but I get your point
<YuriyRusko> And the things under the gear are not options, but links to various views
<YuriyRusko> "search unread posts" implies that the search box to the left will now operate within the context of unread posts
<YuriyRusko> Which is not what it will do
<PayBas> if you have suggestions for more suitable icons, I'm all ears
<YuriyRusko> I can certainly look at it, but I'm not a UI designer. I am simply saying that what is currently there is not clear and cant ship as such
<YuriyRusko> It needs to make sense
<YuriyRusko> I would split the gear off from the search box
<YuriyRusko> It has no relation to it
<YuriyRusko> Except that the options use search.php to render the page
<YuriyRusko> The Quick-mod tools is fine, I think. Much better than before
<YuriyRusko> As is the jumpbox
<PayBas> have a look here and see if there's anything you like: http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/icons/
<YuriyRusko> Before we select icons, we should figure out what we want under which dropdown
<YuriyRusko> The bookmark topic, for example, could be its own icon
<YuriyRusko> Using the standard bookmark star
<YuriyRusko> And then people might actually use it
<PayBas> thats a chicken-egg problem
<PayBas> people dont use it now, so we hide it
<YuriyRusko> If people don't use it and we're making the decision to hide it, then we should remove it entirely so it doesn't clutter the interface
<YuriyRusko> Can't have this both ways
<YuriyRusko> Either we have the feature and it's usable, or we remove the feature
<YuriyRusko> Else we might as well just make a "*beep* feature" dropdown and stick everything in there
<PayBas> why not? hiding niche functionality is better than removing it altogether :S
<PayBas> it IS a *beep* feature dropdown
<YuriyRusko> So then why does it have the most prominent position on the page?
<YuriyRusko> in the navigation of the page*
<PayBas> because some people like *beep*
<PayBas> the idea is this: "subscribe, bookmark, bump, email, print, and download-all-attachemtns" are rarely used, but they are related to the TOPIC, not the forum in general. So we hide them, but keep them close to the topic content
<DavidIQ> just a reminder: adding this sort of thing to the "Advanced search" gear was not a very popular suggestion on Area 51
<PayBas> DavidIQ: yeah, but most agreed that it "could use improvement", but nobody had any suggestions apart from "lets add another menu somewhere"
<Nicofuma> it make sense to have a menu with topic's related tools
<PayBas> granted, they are not tools. They are "additional topic functionality links"
<DavidIQ> ok then change the icon
<DavidIQ> maybe a conversation bubble with the cog inside of it
<DavidIQ> or the conversation bubble with a "+" in it
<YuriyRusko> Again, "view your posts" is not a function of the search box
<YuriyRusko> So the search box gear is ridiculous