Prosilver redesign

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Re: Prosilver redesign

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Prosilver redesign can start with Fontawesome icons and buttons.

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Re: Prosilver redesign

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No offense, but this topic shows that all of you have absolutely no clue about forum style design. Bootstrap is great, but not for phpBB. Why? Because all layout is defined by class names. In BS to change item layout usually all you have to do is change class name of item.

It is completely opposite to what forum needs.

Perfect forum style would have HTML code that designers wouldn't want to mess with. To change layout designers would need to change only CSS in their style. Why? Because phpBB is extendable software. Extensions add more HTML code that is designed for default style. If layout is changed in CSS those extensions would work fine with all styles. If layout is defined by class names (like BS) extensions will have to be modified for each style.

Prosilver redesign is needed, but you are going about it wrong way.

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I tend to agree with Arty.

This is also exactly the reason why I am rewriting my massive styles completely, so they can inherit from proSilver 3.1. I'm trying to get rid of as many of my templates and hope to do everything purely in CSS (so that extensions will work better).

That being said... I've started including Font Awesome and this could be relatively easily included.

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Re: Prosilver redesign

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Arty wrote:No offense, but this topic shows that all of you have absolutely no clue about forum style design. Bootstrap is great, but not for phpBB. Why? Because all layout is defined by class names. In BS to change item layout usually all you have to do is change class name of item.

It is completely opposite to what forum needs.

Perfect forum style would have HTML code that designers wouldn't want to mess with. To change layout designers would need to change only CSS in their style. Why? Because phpBB is extendable software. Extensions add more HTML code that is designed for default style. If layout is changed in CSS those extensions would work fine with all styles. If layout is defined by class names (like BS) extensions will have to be modified for each style.

Prosilver redesign is needed, but you are going about it wrong way.
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Re: Prosilver redesign

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Arty wrote:No offense, but this topic shows that all of you have absolutely no clue about forum style design. Bootstrap is great, but not for phpBB. Why? Because all layout is defined by class names. In BS to change item layout usually all you have to do is change class name of item.

It is completely opposite to what forum needs.

Perfect forum style would have HTML code that designers wouldn't want to mess with. To change layout designers would need to change only CSS in their style. Why? Because phpBB is extendable software. Extensions add more HTML code that is designed for default style. If layout is changed in CSS those extensions would work fine with all styles. If layout is defined by class names (like BS) extensions will have to be modified for each style.

Prosilver redesign is needed, but you are going about it wrong way.
While i can some what see a point about classes cluttering the html for layout the fact is it shows you have absolutely no clue about front-end design/development :roll: sorry you had that coming chill dude.

1. Not sure this is really a problem with the amount of css classes but more a problem with lack of stringent semantics for the HTML coupled with best practices when it comes to CSS in the base theme.

2. FYI BS can affect layout via mixins that do not affect layout. When you boil it down its just a resource library. You do not have to use the layout classes. Layout should really be its own css file anyway if your following best practices.

3. Its less intensive and provides far more maintainability to apply more classes to the html then create more none objective css. All this does is add bloat to your css file and complicate the DOM. This is extremely noticeable on larger forums with lots of extensions...

4. Its far easier from a maintainability standpoint for the software as a whole if the theme relies less on css tweaks leading to bloated un-maintainable css that will just leave us in the same place we are now 1-2yrs after the release of another theme.

5. A theme completely deprived of classes vs one with some strategically applied well documented, tried and true classes will have little difference when it comes to extensions any way since all themes will share a common base. As long as the extension author builds the HTML changes based on BS using proper semantics.

6. If the theme is coded in block/element/model format using OOP following SMACS then everything should be a self contained object anyway thus eliminating the issue with extensions.

Not all of BS needs to be used, and its totally doable to just make ones own style based on these but again maintainability is a *beep* one that Bootstrap handles extremely well. The fact is prosilver is not just flawed behind the scenes its also massively flawed from a UX/UI standpoint as well which will drastically help limit the amount of layout that the theme should need.
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Arty wrote:No offense, but this topic shows that all of you have absolutely no clue about forum style design. Bootstrap is great, but not for phpBB. Why? Because all layout is defined by class names. In BS to change item layout usually all you have to do is change class name of item.

It is completely opposite to what forum needs.

Perfect forum style would have HTML code that designers wouldn't want to mess with. To change layout designers would need to change only CSS in their style. Why? Because phpBB is extendable software. Extensions add more HTML code that is designed for default style. If layout is changed in CSS those extensions would work fine with all styles. If layout is defined by class names (like BS) extensions will have to be modified for each style.

Prosilver redesign is needed, but you are going about it wrong way.
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Why revert to foreign. Bootstrap is not everything. Eventually, the flat design is out. And then what? Prosilver is a beautiful design, well come in the years. But it is now well on the right way.
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Re: Prosilver redesign

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Arty how old are u?
we know you are style designer but you should not insult others.
im designer too for wordpress and phpBB. your literature is not friendly sorry for you.

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Meis2M wrote:Arty how old are u?
we know you are style designer but you should not insult others.
im designer too for wordpress and phpBB. your literature is not friendly sorry for you.
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Re: Prosilver redesign

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Please keep the topic on the spot, otherwise I will close it, as it's not leading to anything usefull since page 2.
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Re: Prosilver redesign

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I too, do not believe that BS is the right way for this.
If someone wants to try BS then why not create a theme for 3.1 with BS and share it.
This has been done for 3.0.x here.

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