Finish up and release

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Re: Finish up and release

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Without hooks, what are the "marketed features" that would be in 3.1?

This is the list of new features and improvements already tagged as completed for 3.1 in the tracker:
http://tracker.phpbb.com/secure/IssueNa ... stId=10250
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Re: Finish up and release

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A_Jelly_Doughnut wrote:Without hooks, what are the "marketed features" that would be in 3.1?

This is the list of new features and improvements already tagged as completed for 3.1 in the tracker:
http://tracker.phpbb.com/secure/IssueNa ... stId=10250
Also what are the visible (For registered users) changes in the front end?
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Re: Finish up and release

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This looks like an interesting proposal. In case the development cycle gets changed, like Erik is suggesting, the feature list should be adjusted. Quicker releases are nice but many will probably also like to see some visual changes. Only "under the hood" improvements might still not satisfy most board owners.
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A_Jelly_Doughnut wrote:Without hooks, what are the "marketed features" that would be in 3.1?

This is the list of new features and improvements already tagged as completed for 3.1 in the tracker:
http://tracker.phpbb.com/secure/IssueNa ... stId=10250
The extensions system which as I understand is ready to be merged would be one. Yes there might not be a real buzz feature, but the buzz feature that was planned (hooks) is nowhere near completion.
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As far as I know, Extensions system makes no sense without the new hooks implementation, especially template hooks.
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Re: Finish up and release

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There needs to be a buzz. Why else would i upgrade? :P
3.1 must have superior user experience.
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For the same reason you otherwise update? To get the latest bug fixes and new features?
Also, how big in reality is the buzz value of hooks at this point of time? phpBB had them and only gets a what more powerful system, but its hardly new/unique/buzzable.
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Erik Frèrejean wrote:For the same reason you otherwise update? To get the latest bug fixes and new features?
That would be subjective view for board owners. I have MODded my forum to suit my needs. :)
I will not go from 3.0 to 3.1 if it kicks less ass than my current version. :P 3.0.x updates are not same as upgrade to 3.1

Problem is not how to rebuild a forum, but is it worth it? I can do it if i want, no problems there...
Will the new features justify upgrading and possibly losing functions i currently need?
How many MODs do i need to install to get what i want?
How soon are these MODs i want available for 3.1?

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Lurttinen wrote:
Erik Frèrejean wrote:For the same reason you otherwise update? To get the latest bug fixes and new features?
That would be subjective view for board owners. I have MODded my forum to suit my needs. :)
I will not go from 3.0 to 3.1 if it kicks less ass than my current version. :P 3.0.x updates are not same as upgrade to 3.1
Sure you'll always have board owners that won't upgrade, I've not decided that as well though most likely I won't be upgrading any time soon after the release. For my boards 3.1 doesn't bring anything we need any time soon (or not already have with MODs) but that isn't a reason to prevent the new features that are in the repository to be released.
Lurttinen wrote:Problem is not how to rebuild a forum, but is it worth it? I can do it if i want, no problems there...
Will the new features justify upgrading and possibly losing functions i currently need?
How many MODs do i need to install to get what i want?
How soon are these MODs i want available for 3.1?

:)
As 3.1 is based upon 3.0, most MODs should be able to be either compatible with 3.1 or very easily updated to work with it. Remember the core doesn't change very much, it just gets enhanced and keeping backward compatibility is a major thing (from the top of my head only the new request class actually requires a complete new way of interacting with the globals. That said request_var is kept fully functional for backward compatibility).
Overall upgrading shouldn't cause to many problems, obviously using MODs increases the potential of conflicts but thats also the case when updating within the 3.0 line.
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Erik Frèrejean wrote:As 3.1 is based upon 3.0, most MODs should be able to be either compatible with 3.1 or very easily updated to work with it. Remember the core doesn't change very much, it just gets enhanced and keeping backward compatibility is a major thing (from the top of my head only the new request class actually requires a complete new way of interacting with the globals. That said request_var is kept fully functional for backward compatibility).
If I'm not mistaking again, new template engine was merged into 3.1 already. That means 3.1 got more major changes in comparison with 3.0 core, and thus MODs for 3.0 won't be compatible with 3.1 in that part and will have to be rewrited. In conjunction with new extensions/hooks system, 3.1 should receive absolutely different way of modification and extensibility.
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