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Re: Global Warming

Postby SamG » Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:33 pm

Highway of Life wrote:Yes, people should absolutely be concerned with taking action. But you don’t have to swallow baloney to take action.

I agree. If I saw more ordinary people like us quit relying on the debunkers for a reason to do nothing, I'd feel much better.

Debunking is fine and all, but it's not very productive in the face of actual problems. If we all admit that global climate change is a fact of life and that it can have a substantial impact on life, if we all admit that the environmental footprint of 1st World countries is too big, then why spend so much time and energy trying to show that humans are not the sole cause of global warming? At this point, who cares? :)

Al and the MSM can spin it out how they like. Debunkers can spin it out any way they like. We have a non-trivial problem -- whether big or small matters not, because it is non-trivial -- that we, as ordinary people, can spend our time profitably considering while the spinsters on either side do their thing. I think that's all I'm really advocating. Every time I have a CRT monitor go bad somewhere (just as one example among many) I face a problem I wish we were discussing rather than worrying quite as much about swallowing baloney. :)
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Re: Global Warming

Postby ~Stormy~ » Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:02 am

global warming does suck. Here in california, temperatures and weather have been getting weirder and weirder! :( Ususally theres gusts of wind and coldish weather during spring, but instead its warmer and less windy...If its warm now, the summer is gonna be like smokin hot er something...
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Re: Global Warming

Postby Highway of Life » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:28 am

Well, I’m beginning to like Global Warming at this rate...

Our Winter of 2007-2008 just moved to number 2 snowiest on record for Spokane Washington.

As of 1 am Sunday April 6th... the winter snowfall total for Spokane was 89.4 inches.
This total is the second snowiest on record.
Records have been kept for Spokane since 1893.

The top ten winter snow totals are listed below...
  1. 93.5 inches (237.49 cm) 1949-1950
  2. 89.5 inches (227.33 cm) 2007-2008**
  3. 89.0 inches (226.06 cm) 1974-1975
  4. 87.3 inches (221.74 cm) 1992-1993
  5. 83.2 inches (211.32 cm) 1955-1956
  6. 81.7 inches (207.51 cm) 1964-1965
  7. 80.5 inches (204.47 cm) 1996-1997
  8. 79.6 inches (202.18 cm) 1951-1952
  9. 77.5 inches (196.85 cm) 1968-1969
  10. 73.5 inches (186.69 cm) 1931-1932

**The 2007-2008 season not yet complete. More snow is possible.
If this trend continues for a few years, maybe the Ski Resorts will get the message and stay open until May like they should. Image

Season Snowfall: 89.5" (227.33 cm)
Normal Snowfall: 45.2" (114.81 cm)
Last Season Snowfall: 35.2" (89.41 cm)

The planet was much snowier and colder than usual during the winter of 2007-2008, according to statistics released by the National Climatic Data Center. Snow cover extent over the Northern Hemisphere during the period December 2007 - February 2008 was the fourth greatest on record, and was the greatest on record for January. Satellite-derived snow cover records extend back to 1967. Some regions of the Middle East, such as Baghdad, Iraq saw their first snow in living memory.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby SamG » Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:09 am

Highway of Life wrote:If this trend continues for a few years, maybe the Ski Resorts will get the message and stay open until May like they should. Image

:lol: Indeed.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby mash9093 » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:19 pm

My suggestion would be to using recycled products, being more conservative, spending 90 where we need to spend 100 and sacrificing some comforts, so the coming generations does not have to switch back to "wear nothing" age.

here is what i follow :

on weekends, i spend less time in my house and more outsides, using daylight, working out in garden (rather watching my favorite rugby match), me and my kids fly kites instead of battery operated jets, talking less on phone and practicing yoga. to be honest, these simple things help me to save $150 per week (bills), which goes directly into my savigns, hope you guys follow some sort of things to preserve and protect.

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Re: Global Warming

Postby Highway of Life » Sun Apr 27, 2008 2:06 am

Highway of Life wrote:The top ten winter snow totals are listed below...
  1. 93.5 inches (237.49 cm) 1949-1950
  2. 89.5 inches (227.33 cm) 2007-2008**

Almost... there...
92.2 inches of snow on the Season so far since July 1st, 2007.

One of the ski resorts that is still open just received 9 more inches of fresh powder late this last week.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby darcie » Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:02 am

Meanwhile, directly south of you at the lower end of the country, it was 98º today. :roll: I have a feeling it's going to be a toasty summer.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby god0fgod » Thu May 08, 2008 10:20 pm

While the rest of the world may be experiencing warming, I think it is safe to say that England is experiencing cooling.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby Highway of Life » Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:29 am

June 3, 2008 - David Lewis

“There are ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production – with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth.” - Newsweek

Doesn’t that sound familiar?

It does, because it is what we often hear today from the media and various political organizations: Dire predictions of gloom and doom from the results of manmade global warming and greenhouse effects on our planet. Only the quote above by Newsweek: “The Cooling World” is not referring to global warming, but global cooling.

During the 1970’s, there was a period of several years that prompted many people to believe the world was undergoing a transition into another Ice Age. Often referred to as “global cooling”, a slight downward trend of Earth’s temperatures most significantly in the 1970s, but also occurring in the 1940s. This period of time prompted publications such as Newsweek and the New York Times to publish concerning articles such as “The Cooling World”.

But if the world is warming, what happens to the crops and plants?

They actually grow more vigourously, due to the additional heat and slightly longer growing season, producing more plentiful food crops as well as flourishing forests. Plants also “breathe in” – or feed off of – carbon dioxide (CO2), and the greater concentration of CO2 in the air causes plants to thrive.

Speaking of carbon dioxide, aren’t we causing a great amount of it with manmade industry, which is the main cause of greenhouse gasses?

First we need to look at the pre-industrial baseline of the total concentration of CO2 and other gasses in our atmosphere. To determine what kind of impact humans have on our planet, we need to measure the current composition of CO2, then subtract naturally-occurring CO2.

Of the greenhouse gasses comprising our atmosphere, water vapour contributes 95%, carbon dioxide (CO2) makes up 3.62%, methane (CH4) makes up 0.36%, nitrous oxide (N2O) 0.95% and CFC’s, which are miscellaneous gasses, make up the remaining 0.07%.

Pre-industry (prior to 1770), the carbon dioxide (CO2) figure was 288,000 ppb (parts per billion). Since that time, naturally-occurring greenhouse gasses have contributed an additional 84,236 ppb, 68,520 ppb of which is CO2. Manmade additions have contributed 12,207 ppb of greenhouse gasses, 11,880 ppb of which are CO2.

Humans have less than a 0.001% impact on the water vapour content of the atmosphere. This means that humans have contributed 3.30% (12,217/370,484) of all greenhouse gasses not considering water vapour, or 3.33% (11,880/356,520) of carbon dioxide (CO2).

However, water vapour makes up 95% of greenhouse gasses.

Therefore, madmade greenhouse gasses have contributed 3.33% of carbon dioxide (CO2). And carbon dioxide comprises 3.62% of greenhouse gasses, resulting in 0.28% (0.0333 X 0.0362) of manmade greenhouse gasses – 0.12% of which is madmade carbon dioxide (CO2) in the span of 230 years.

So is that significant enough to dramatically effect our temperatures on a global scale? If in 230 years we have only managed to impact our atmosphere by less than 0.3%, can we, in 50 years, melt Iceland at this current rate? According to the Nobel Prize-winning politician Al Gore, absolutely.

Water vapour is an important part of our greenhouse gasses, making up the majority of these gasses at 95%. Yet it is often conveniently excluded from environmental facts and discussions. If water vapour were taken into consideration, it would decrease the severity of the global warming fear factor, effectively eliminating arguments presented by global warming advocates.

Science has proven that CO2 increases do not drive global temperatures, but that CO2 levels follow global temperatures.

The changes that many environmentalists and politicians propose on our environment would decrease the carbon footprint of developing countries by 30%, a dramatic change that would be the result of billions of dollars poured into research and technology to reduce the greenhouse effect.

Wouldn’t it be great for our world if we could reduce the carbon footprint by 30%? What kind of impact would that make on the stats above?

Such drastic measures, if successful, would reduce the CO2 manmade emissions from 0.12% to about 0.035% - an insignificant change to the Earth’s climate on a global scale.

But could you drive your car 30% less, reduce your electricity usage by 30%, and reduce your winter heating by 30%? What would happen if such regulations were imposed upon the industries of the world? It would cause a dramatic rise in prices of merchandise from clothing to cars by 30-50% or more, for little or no environmental benefit at all.

Are such expenses and sacrifices really worth all the money we would pour into it? It’s one thing to be conscientious, but it’s another thing to have government-imposed regulations forcing you to reduce your driving, your electricity usage, and your general lifestyle - for little or no impact on the climate.

But many of us are taken by the grandiose promises made by politicians to improve our environment. We like the prospect of saving the world, but few think the process through to what that would really mean for our atmosphere and the kind of detrimental impact it would have on our daily lives.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby EXreaction » Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:05 am

http://www.climatescience.gov/Library/s ... tFINAL.pdf

Our understanding of climate change continues to grow, enabling scientists to draw increasingly
certain conclusions about its causes and impacts. For example, in their most recent assessment
of climate change science, the IPCC concluded that it is unequivocal that the average
temperature of Earth’s surface has warmed recently and it is very likely (greater than 90%
probability) that most of this global warming is due to increased concentrations of human-
generated greenhouse gases. Several lines of evidence, including those outlined in the following
sections, point to a strong human influence on climate.
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