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Re: Global Warming

Postby EXreaction » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:50 pm

Global warming is just a load of confusion for most people, I think it is mostly because of the name of it.

"Global warming" would not cause immediate higher temperatures, but a destabilization of the climate. Things will get colder in some areas, warmer in others, and the temperature will fluctuate a lot. The biggest problem with the destabilization will be the extreme weather, like hurricanes. If things continue to destabilize there will be many more hurricanes like Katrina and they will be larger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

If you know a little about history you will know about the Little Ice Age.

As you can see from the following chart:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2000 ... arison.png

The real temperature difference between the little ice age and what it normally was around 1/2 C. We've gone up almost 1 C from 1900.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby Techie-Micheal » Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:31 pm

EXreaction wrote:Global warming is just a load of confusion for most people, I think it is mostly because of the name of it.

"Global warming" would not cause immediate higher temperatures, but a destabilization of the climate. Things will get colder in some areas, warmer in others, and the temperature will fluctuate a lot. The biggest problem with the destabilization will be the extreme weather, like hurricanes. If things continue to destabilize there will be many more hurricanes like Katrina and they will be larger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

If you know a little about history you will know about the Little Ice Age.

As you can see from the following chart:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2000 ... arison.png

The real temperature difference between the little ice age and what it normally was around 1/2 C. We've gone up almost 1 C from 1900.
Slightly off-topic, but as I recall, Katrina was only a Category 3. Most certainly not the strongest hurricane. The devastation came from where it hit and how it hit.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby Highway of Life » Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:08 pm

And as there is more development along coastal regions, the more devastating the Hurricanes and Cyclones will become.
This, of course, does not mean they are any more powerful now then they were a hundred years ago. -- But they will cause more damage in places like New Orleans. -- That’s what happens when you build a city 6 feet below sea level.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby EXreaction » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:14 pm

Well I don't keep track of hurricanes, that's the only one I knew so I used it as an example. :P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of ... me_weather
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Re: Global Warming

Postby EXreaction » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:58 am

I am starting to wonder if the little bit of warming we have had even matters. With other things that affect our climate as much as they do, I think the little bit of warming was probably not even enough to matter, or maybe we could have gone into a major cooling period if it wouldn't have kept it warmer.

Who knows, but with all the sun inactivity we've had the last few months, it has taken away all of the warming we've had in the last hundred years or so.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby TwistedWeather » Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:31 pm

May ACTUALLY help if some would learn a little about the weather and how it works. If they did i am certain they too would see that this global warming stuff is JUNK.

Consider this,
1. That polar ice someone mentioned is now in the record book for having the most Ice ever seen sence the Satellite/tracking era. Same goes for the snowcover across the northern Hemisphere.

Global temps BOTH Jan and Feb came in just a bit over -1/2 degrees below normal which is the biggest drop ever seen and has almost wiped out all the warming we saw the last century.

None of that is even considering the historic winter events that has happend in all parts of the globe from South Africa, to the Middle East and on to China. Not to mention the record cold and snows in the midwest part of the USA. All in the past year.

May wanna get to know about our Oceans ( La'Nina-'El'Nino etc ) and how they are big drivers in our climate as is the Sun ( Solar flux etc).
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Re: Global Warming

Postby Highway of Life » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:53 pm

Here is a video from CNN's Glenn Beck on "EXPOSED: The Climate of Fear" on Global Warming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io-Tb7vTamY&NR=1

"I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter
arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.

In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious. As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting,
coastal flooding and super storm pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we have
been duped."

--John Coleman

--Founder, The Weather Channel
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Re: Global Warming

Postby SamG » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:13 pm

But, you see, we have the "sloppy data" problem right here in this thread. Consider the assertion that "this global warming stuff is JUNK" against the assertion that "Global temps BOTH Jan and Feb came in just a bit over -1/2 degrees below normal which is the biggest drop ever seen and has almost wiped out all the warming we saw the last century."

What may very well be JUNK is AGW, not the fact of global warming over the past century. We can't argue both ways and be credible, whether we buy into AGW or not. A key comment in the video is this: "It really makes a difference. What are we talking about? The only consensus I'm aware of is that it's warmed in the last century."

So it continues to boil down to basic stewardship. It boils down to appropriate reaction to effects of climate change (whether warming or cooling) to food and energy supplies. Global climate change is relevant sociologically whether AGW is junk or not. In almost every case where someone pronounces [A]GW junk, in my experience, they walk away from the stewardhsip question as well. I don't at all understand why.

Basic environmental issues deserve at least a nod if we are to be considered good stewards. We don't build bedrooms over garages, we don't run automobiles in closed garages, we don't burn charcoal stoves in closed spaces, etc. The Earth's environment is finite, like the living space in my home. One doesn't have to be a tree hugger to connect environmental thoughtfulness and common sense.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby Highway of Life » Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:06 pm

I completely agree with that. Which is why I use Solar Panels to charge my batteries, it’s why I have energy saver bulbs in all of my light sockets, and it’s why I use skylights to generate ample light during the day.
It’s why I only drive when I have to, and use fuel efficient cars.
It’s why I turn my thermostat way down in the winter, wear a sweatshirt in the house, and way up in the summer. (though not too high, that we sweat inside :) )
And is there more I could do? absolutely! But I have to take one step at a time because it’s quite expensive.
My plan is to generate so much electricity on my own that I’d be supplying power back to the grid.

Yes, people should absolutely be concerned with taking action. But you don’t have to swallow baloney to take action.
Taking action, preserving energy and fuel really has nothing to do with Global Warming. It’d do it if we were in a Global Cooling period.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby EXreaction » Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:07 pm

Solar = too expensive and inefficient. :(

I am waiting for solar cells with double the efficiency for half the price or less, then I would even try to mod my laptop so it has solar cells integrated in the cover. :mrgreen:
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