Release time frame?

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Release time frame?

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The announcement topics in each forum return: "The requested topic does not exist."
so I don't know if my question is answered there...

Basically, I had a look at the roadmap, but there is no target date/estimate.

When do you think a stable version of 2.2 will be released? Is is a matter of months (2, 3, 6?) or a matter of years (1, 2?)...

I am working on an alternative voting (approval, condorcet) mod that's working at http://www.masquilier.org" target="_blank and I was hoping for it to become part of the official release, either 2.2 or 2.4...

Do I open a CVS account and post my code there?

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I believe the only confirmed date is this year, there's nothing more specific than that for the moment.
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:) Thank you.
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Haven't you posted about this poll Mod elsewhere ... ;) You're poll adaption may make an interesting Mod but I'm afraid it's extremely unlikely to be integrated into phpBB itself.
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psoTFX wrote:Haven't you posted about this poll Mod elsewhere ... ;) You're poll adaption may make an interesting Mod but I'm afraid it's extremely unlikely to be integrated into phpBB itself.
Yes, I did: in the official, stable phpbb MOD support forum, asking for help.

Now, it's working nicely, thank you.

I'd understand if it's too late to add another feature to 2.2 at this time, even though the code is ready and I'd be supporting it myself (no extra workload for the existing developpers). What about for the next release (2.4). It'd be a very nice and welcome feature for many web sites with phpbb, especially those virtual communities where democratic decisions are made via polling. The existing plurality polling feature is actually one of the worse polling methods...

Anyhow, I am a bit new in the phpbb developper community, so I am not yet familiar with the procedures yet, even though I read all the documentation I found on this site. (The announcements above are still dead links). So, I am not sure what is the decision making process deciding when and how a new feature is added.

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Augustin wrote: Anyhow, I am a bit new in the phpbb developper community, so I am not yet familiar with the procedures yet, even though I read all the documentation I found on this site. (The announcements above are still dead links). So, I am not sure what is the decision making process deciding when and how a new feature is added.
Before someone tells me so, I know that there is a place where I can post a feature request, in soureforge. That's not what I'm asking: the code is ready so I didn't want to post a request and make it sound like I expect others to do it.
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In general we do not incorporate code written by individuals not within the dev team. I know this "upsets" some people and usually I get told this is "anti-opensource" but I disagree.

Wrt polling ... we're really a forum, polling tends to be very secondary IME. We have included additional functionality in 2.2 to allow multiple selections. That may be extended a little further to allow numbered ordering (though I wouldn't bet on that for anyone reading this who may get over excited :)). Beyond that I feel additional features are best off being released as a Mod.
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Edit: Sorry - read psoTFX's post above and forget my just a hair late one :) .

Historically, in terms of procedure, it's very rare for someone else's work to get incorporated wholesale into phpBB. Obviously I have no idea how things will go in the future, but that has been the history of it.

I do know that there has been some discussion here of the poll feature as it stands, and the general drift from the developers seems to be that the poll feature is by intent a simple polling tool suitable for general forum use. Expansion to cover survey or ballot functionality seems not in the plans, though of course I could be wrong.
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phpbb communities need proper polling features...

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psoTFX wrote:In general we do not incorporate code written by individuals not within the dev team. I know this "upsets" some people and usually I get told this is "anti-opensource" but I disagree.
I agree with you. The project is clearly opensource and GPL since I am able to get the code, modify it and use it the way I want in my site.

Every project needs a maintainer. Should I understand that you are him (or her, which is not so obvious from your name ;-) ) and that you have the final say on what comes in and what doesn't?
psoTFX wrote: Wrt polling ... we're really a forum, polling tends to be very secondary IME. We have included additional functionality in 2.2 to allow multiple selections. That may be extended a little further to allow numbered ordering
Since you may have the final say, I shall respect your decision. Allow me to try to express what I feel, though.

Forum means community. Communities get together to achieve things, make democratic decisions and so on... This mod got started this way, with such a community using phpbb but who needed such a feature.

A polling software without a community to use it is quite pointless. A forum like phpbb brings communities alive, and many such communities need a proper tool to express their opinions in order to make a collective, democratic decision.

Since there IS a polling feature already, it is really a shame that this feature is using plurality election method: every election method experts today and for over 200 years found it is an unfair method... If there is only one election method made available in the main release, why not use Approval instead: it is widely recognized as being much, much fairer, yet very easy to understand (from the voters' point of view) and very easy to implement (from the coders' point of view).
psoTFX wrote: We have included additional functionality in 2.2 to allow multiple selections. That may be extended a little further to allow numbered ordering
If by "multiple selections" you mean approval, then that's good news indeed. You may as well call it by its official English name.

If by "numbered ordering" you mean a ranking election method, then which one? There are many different ranking election methods, some bad (Borda) some good (Condorcet).

By the way, why is the existing polling feature turned off in this development board: if it is being modified, it'd be nice to test it in the appropriate forum, without having to install cvs at home...
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SamG wrote: Historically, in terms of procedure, it's very rare for someone else's work to get incorporated wholesale into phpBB.
Again, I understand this perfectly. There is a need to make sure that security and code quality is maintained.

For the rest, I have already replied above: why not a simple, but at least fair polling feature by default?
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