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Re: seo

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Davidls wrote: and to answer this question
In google those two URL's rank exactlythe same. That kind of SEO is now defunct. The only benefit is for human consumption, and I think it's easier for humans to understand ?t=topicID than a goobly gook .html super SEOified URL. Of course if your URL is super long you'd think about rewriting it to something shorter, but shorter isn't always better.
LOL, no they dont, and now i bet your gona say that
http://theocsucks.com/-vp16224" target="_blank
and
http://theocsucks.com/me-and-kcjdude-vt1951.html" target="_blank
would be ranked the same
because guess what, they arent

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Re: seo

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kjcdude wrote: LOL, no they dont, and now i bet your gona say that
http://theocsucks.com/-vp16224" target="_blank
and
http://theocsucks.com/me-and-kcjdude-vt1951.html" target="_blank
would be ranked the same
because guess what, they arent
And you can probe that, right? :lol:

Take care if you post examples, because rank depends on lots of factors.

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Re: seo

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kjcdude wrote: LOL, no they dont, and now i bet your gona say that
http://theocsucks.com/-vp16224" target="_blank
and
http://theocsucks.com/me-and-kcjdude-vt1951.html" target="_blank
would be ranked the same
because guess what, they arent
Really? Using Google's own toolbar, both of those pages come up with a PR of 0. Yes, both.

Even more proof that PR isn't obtained via fancy rewriting of links

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Re: seo

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kjcdude wrote: PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD include SEO in phpbb 3.

it needs to be coded into the core.

Wedmedic has created a fantastic SEO that does what it needs to do, but it can be troublesome at times since it isnt part of the core to phpbb

http://theocsucks.com/the-oc-vt194.html" target="_blank
thats an seo url
http://theocsucks.com/viewtopic.php?t=194" target="_blank
thats a phpbb url
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3At ... 2the+oc%22" target="_blank
You're assuming that because there's a .html file extension in the URL, it's better because it's an HTML file. However, that's simply not true, as phpBB files that are accessed, such as viewtopic.php files, are still PHP files, even if the .html is in the URL. :|
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As far as I know, search engines and .html extensions are an overly common myth. To my knowledge, search engines never cared about the extension. Or at least if they did, they certainly don't now.

Also, URLs have never been designed to have 'file extensions'. The only reason URLs commonly end in .html, .php, etc is because most webservers tie the URL structure to the file system by default. There's no obligation in the URL specification for file extensions of any kind to my knowledge.

I'd say that what URL stands for is possibly the best guide to designing URLs (Unique Resource Identifier/Locator).

As in, an URL should never have to change (using topic titles in URLs should be done with caution, since they can change, and definitely not something like /forum-name/topic-name, since topics get moved).

See also this.

As for linking to specific posts, why not just use the anchor (#) part of the URL?

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Re: seo

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With the small amount of knowledge i know about google and how it searches (which isn't a lot)
I know the this

google will look at pages with viewtopic?t=100
only if it is being linked to from somewhere that googlebots already go to. since you obviously have a link to it somewhere on your site. The only advantage that the .html has over .php? is debunked.

SEO's are really useless. If your site is good, it will sell itself!

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Search engines offer a free service as a matter to promote non-free services. Otherwise, they won't survive and other companies will born to do it better (whatever it is that allows them to success, survive). So they need to be competitive and attrack as much users as possible to their non-free stuff... I guess, everyone will agree with that.

In the course to be competitive, they must learn how to index good stuff (regardless of the URI) for we all to easily and fast find using their service (otherwise we'll use another SE). In fact, it is like this, there are millions of pages indexed that use "non-human friendly" URIs.

And everyone use SE, because such a service is needed by everyone on earth. And guess what, many search engine companies do their job pretty well. Most of them rock! Everyone talks about all the goodies they do. ...as a side affect, all those that create content get worried about that. Every webmaster wants to be indexed, but poor boys, the preasure is now on your side, because you have to offer "good SEO stuff", otherwise the best page rank will be assigned to someone else. But what "good SEO stuff" is? So many have tried to answer this simple question (and many charge to help webmasters apply their magic SEO methods, oh well). The answer is pretty simple, it is "competitive content", because that's what people expect from search engines.

However, webmasters still demand "human-friendly" URLs, so that's what many products (bulletin boards, portals, cms, etc.) out there are giving them. But that's far, far from what search engines need.

...and that's it. No matter the URI, what matters to everyone is "content". Ask yourself what do you expect from a search engine. ;)

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markus_petrux wrote: ...and that's it. No matter the URI, what matters to everyone is "content". Ask yourself what do you expect from a search engine. ;)
But clean URLs are so much easier than content. :(
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dhn wrote: But clean URLs are so much easier than content. :(
If you copy/paste URLs, it doesn't matter. If you have to type them manually... what's easier to type "viewtopic.php?t=xx" or "insert_title_that_could_even_be_changed_of_topic_here"?

Still, it would be good if clean URLs were implemented in phpBB. But that's IMHO, something that webmasters demand, not because search engines need it. That's what I wanted to point out.

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Re: seo

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markus_petrux wrote: or "insert_title_that_could_even_be_changed_of_topic_here"
I know bugger all about SEO and web design stuff, but from a user's point of view that idea SUCKS!

You're saying that I could make a link to a topic such as "That great film" at the address "myforum.com/that_great_film.htm" and then if the person who started the topic changes the title to "That great film - warning contains spoilers" then my link is now broken. And I have to hunt and find the new kink of "myforum.com/that_great_film_-_warning_contains_spoilers"???

You'll have to make a way of both links pointing to the topic, which would be a nightmare!! I can't imagine how you'd implement this? .htaccess rewriting? auto .htm generation?


Sorry if my ignorance is making me look stupid here :(

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