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Post by code reader » Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:16 pm

first, congrats for getting the main site back online.
second, i like the new design.
third: now, that the cat is out, so to speak, and everybody can see the new design, how about adding it to the cvs? this will make testing a lot easier.

thanks.
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Re: proSilver

Post by Ron2K » Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:21 pm

AFAIK, the new style will only be made available for us to use when phpBB 3 goes gold, so you'll have to wait until then.
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Re: proSilver

Post by Nicholas the Italian » Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:25 pm

Ron2K wrote: AFAIK, the new style will only be made available for us to use when phpBB 3 goes gold, so you'll have to wait until then.

But, since it is now public (you can get CSS and imageset and everything), which was not planned, they might change their mind and include it in RC? Just wondering.
If someone wants to steal it, he can do it now; but since it has been published on phpBB.com, I don't think there's the need to keep it hidden anymore...

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Re: proSilver

Post by Ron2K » Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:30 pm

Good point, that. Oh well, guess the "wait and see" attitude applies. :P
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Re: proSilver

Post by Highway of Life » Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:33 pm

Nicholas the Italian wrote:
Ron2K wrote: AFAIK, the new style will only be made available for us to use when phpBB 3 goes gold, so you'll have to wait until then.

But, since it is now public (you can get CSS and imageset and everything), which was not planned, they might change their mind and include it in RC? Just wondering.
If someone wants to steal it, he can do it now; but since it has been published on phpBB.com, I don't think there's the need to keep it hidden anymore...
Have you tried?
It’s not possible to steal it. ;)

Yes, you can get the CSS, and probably most/all the images.
You cannot get the templates, which are the single most important aspect of proSilver. :)

I still believe the Dev team will NOT release it until Gold.
Why?
They can now test the style completely without releasing it, so they no longer need to release it.
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Re: proSilver

Post by Nicholas the Italian » Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:42 pm

Highway of Life wrote: Have you tried?
It’s not possible to steal it. ;)

Impossible is nothing! :P
It's not easy, but it's mainly CSS + images, XHTML is more about actual data.
Anyway, they don't risk anymore to be frauded of the title of "creators of prosilver", so why not include it in a release candidate (which is a release candidate)?
They don't need to test it, but we do. And designers too.

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Re: proSilver

Post by code reader » Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:54 pm

Highway of Life wrote: Have you tried?
It’s not possible to steal it. ;)

Yes, you can get the CSS, and probably most/all the images.
You cannot get the templates, which are the single most important aspect of proSilver. :)

I still believe the Dev team will NOT release it until Gold.
Why?
They can now test the style completely without releasing it, so they no longer need to release it.

hol,
when people talk about "stealing the design", they do not normally refer to copying of the files themselves, but rather picking up the general "look and feel".
it is not practical, ttbomk, for any leading board software to pick up the template files, because none actually uses a template mechanism identical to phpbb (smarty-based, but with many phpbb-specific changes).
it is my understanding that the incident that led to this paranoia, ie. the pick-up of subSilver design before phpbb 2.0 was released, also was about picking up the design, rather than the template files themselves.

and the logic behind "they can test the style completely", imo, is flawed.
using the same logic, there shouldn't have been a beta: after all, if "they can test the style completely", why can't they test the whole shebang completely?
clearly they can't. in reality, even releasing it will not mean "test it completely". some bugs will certainly remain undetected (or at least unreported) even when the whole community is testing it.
specifically, issues related to other languages, and especially RTL languages are not really tested by the team.
in my mind, the only reason not to release the proSilver design is not valid any more, while all the reasons to release it are as valid as they ever were.

(btw: is phpbb.com down again? i sure hope it's nothing serious...)

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Re: proSilver

Post by Handyman » Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:54 pm

IMO, I was ok with the fact that they were going to display proSilver and package it only after phpBB3 hit gold, but now that we all see it and know what it looks like, why not put it in the CVS?
What's the point of not doing that now?
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Re: proSilver

Post by Kokuei » Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:18 pm

Highway of Life wrote: Have you tried?
It’s not possible to steal it. ;)


Correct me if im wrong, but is there anything in the style files that can not be accessed by a web browser? All you need is a complete file-listing (and that is supplied in the beta package). So they night as well release the new theme in the CVS for testing purposes.

Test: styles/subSilver/template/mcp_forum.html

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Re: proSilver

Post by VinDuv » Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:34 pm

Kokuei wrote:
Highway of Life wrote: Have you tried?
It’s not possible to steal it. ;)


Correct me if im wrong, but is there anything in the style files that can not be accessed by a web browser? All you need is a complete file-listing (and that is supplied in the beta package). So they night as well release the new theme in the CVS for testing purposes.

Test: styles/subSilver/template/mcp_forum.html

They don't need to make .html files in the template directory accessible from the web side... They are only read by the template/cache system on the server.
So they can protect the not-super-secret-anymore style if they want to.

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