Erik Frèrejean wrote:
nn- wrote:So, after the news spilled onto the user forums and a number of users (i.e., not developers) became outraged at the decision that affects them yet they didn't even know was made, would the management consider discussing decisions affecting users on forums that users actually visit?
I'm sorry but the most likely removal of SubSilver2 was announced back in September 2008
and I can't recall any major concerns posted back then.
OK, I'll bite. I scanned through the announcement in question to see where subsilver removal was announced. I was unable to find anything relevant. I had to search
the page to find it:
... subsilver2 will most likely be dropped though. ...
On my screen (1920x1200 resolution) that quote is located at the bottom of browser page 4. For most people I would guess it would be on 6-8th page down. Do you seriously claim that a note like that is an official announcement of an important change (for certain users, it's very important)? Not to mention that the change materialized two years after this so-called "announcement" as already stated.
For the record, I did not object to the proposal because personally I do not use subsilver-based styles. I evaluated several but did not end up installing any. Thus I did not feel that my opinion was relevant to the discussion. I did however supply hard statistics that other users requested.
The tenacity with which some team members cling to straw men to rationalize taken decisions is, quite frankly, sickening. Here's what actually happened: a phpbb developer got tired of subsilver and proposed its removal on development board. Most of the population on development board, who apparently are either developers or power users, had not been using subsilver (since for power users and developers stylesheets are easier to work with than tables). They either agreed or abstained. Subsilver was removed, after which users were notified of the deed with no opportunity to protest the decision as "it had been already made". A number of users actually found subsilver easier to use though, a point of view apparently overlooked by development forum membership.
Now that we've said it how it really is, there are two possible solutions going forward:
1. Development team admits they haven't considered the overlooked point of view and reinstates the discussion about removal of subsilver, requests a subsilver maintainer, or even reinstates subsilver to please the users who want it.
2. Development team says they don't care what users think or want. Developers are tired of subsilver and it's not coming back no matter what. If anyone wants to use it it's up to them to make it work.
Option #2 is generally valid. Nobody can make anybody do anything, especially in free software. What you can't do however is claim that you're building a product for users and then ignore your users' opinions. That is called lying.